Exactly. We were within a whisker of winning the GF last year and we’re 7 wins from 8 league games this season without playing well and with significant disruption in our squad due to injuries. We’re not far off at all and a few quality signings and the right coaching appointments for next season could put us in a really strong position for years to come. That’s why our recruitment and retention is so important now.

There have been a couple of posters who one said we would be bottom half, and another who said we'd be bottom 4

Exactly, and yet we have talk about Trent Robinson struggling to come in and do anything (with over excessive defence of Adrian Lam) cries that we have no ambition and panic on a Mr Mainwaring scale.

I’ve been as frustrated as anybody these past two and a half years and certainly this year the glaring gap in quality in the front row is really hurting us and even then we’ve finished 2nd, 1st and now sit 3rd with 7 wins from 8. We’ve done that with a coach who IMO is out of his depth. We lose some quality players for next season but even ‘if’ the recruitment ends up being uninspiring, as long as we get a half decent coach we’ll knock out a top 6 place in our sleep. The league is dreadful at the minute and it’s what makes these past few seasons extra frustrating.

No chance.

Wait a minute, compete with us?

We're losing Hill if rumours are true. That leaves us with Cooper, Philbin, Mulhern, Butler and potentially Bullock who you guys dont want or rate as our props. We are in need of better props.

By all accounts we are having a mass clear out. Akuala, Inglis, Widdop, Austin, Mamo, and Lineham all going if correct. With Matautia, Holmes, Bullock and Williams coming in if rumours are true.

What it shows is, all clubs are unhappy with squads and want more quality. Saints are probably the only ones happy....

I think it is possible we could finish in the bottom half this season if we lose our next two games.
A poor coach, a lightweight workmanlike pack and lack of spontaneous players means every game becomes an arm wrestle where we have as much chance of losing as winning.
If we start poorly again tomorrow we could be in for another long night. Hopefully Hastings Farrell and Bateman will step up and drag us back to some sort of form.

I obviously missed the posts on next year but I’m quietly confident that a new coach and an improved and better balanced squad will be in place for a big push.

It’s interesting to see some of the quotes aimed at Lam are very reminiscent of Shaun Wane.

Yes he had some fantastic successes (which Lam clearly hasn’t had) but they both share criticism of style of play, some baffling losses and failure to provide bodies to give us a better go forward despite both identifying size as an issue.

For what it’s worth I was pleasantly surprised by our style of play under Lam
last year and at the start of this year, however something now doesn’t seem to be clicking and I wouldn’t be against a change.

Personally if what is being reported is true Wane may be coming back in a Director of Rugby role part time I wouldn’t be against it however I think if Lam were to go he would need to be replaced be someone with new ideas.

Having Wane come in to work with Peat and Locky concerns me because they know each other so well and have formed their rugby philosophies together, over years of working together.

I would hope we can bring in a strong strong headed innovative coach not afraid to shake things up.

I posted on Redvee back in October that I had been told by a Wigan employee that Peet was basically being groomed as the next head coach after Lam. Not heard anything to the contrary since.

I’d be happy with Matty Peet working alongside/under Shaun Wane. He’s been cutting his teeth in coaching for a long time and has experience here and in Union. It was no coincidence that our form picked up massively last season when he came back IMO. I’ve heard people talk in very good terms about him and he could have no finer support than having Shaun Wane there. It’s very unusual in Rugby League for a coach to have not had a top level playing career but in football we’ve seen the best managers in many cases didn’t have that, so I don’t see that as an issue.

Funny how people hear things differently. I heard the complete opposite from a few guys I know with connections to Sale. Let's just say they moved him on quite quickly.

Who knows either way. There will always be people who have good and bad opinions on people and their ability. I knew people who knew Shaun Wane years ago who thought it was hilarious when he got a job working with the juniors. Safe to say they’ll have been shocked with his progression.

Wonder what wane was thinking watching that??

Probably emotionally absent!

F*** it. Bring back Eric Hughes.

How can it be any worse???????



I waited 15 months to watch live sport and was bored after 10 minutes. Physically and utterly BORED!!!

Lammy......Thank you for single handedly winning the cup in 2002 (apparently) but please do me a favour and f*** off

Contemplating asking the Scottish RFU for his job back.

Having watched Friday's match, I think he must have found Nobby's playbook in his office, at the bottom of a drawer.....

Done deal Dan said so 4 months back, Maybe

Given the shambles that is the All Stars game I wouldn’t blame him

I think Wane thought he had a good chance in getting an NRL job but that didn't materialise and no doubt he must be his the day to day of coaching.

The England job really should be part time as there just isn't enough games for those who want to coach.

I cant imagine he's pleased having so little training time with England.

Whenever a team is doing bad, Its always sack the Coach

But in Wigan's case, its not the Coach, but those running the club.

When will it sink in?

When crowds are down to two or three thousand like the late seventies?

Whenever a team is doing bad, Its always sack the Coach

But in Wigan's case, its not the Coach, but those running the club.

When will it sink in?

When crowds are down to two or three thousand like the late seventies?

The club has had unparalleled success since the 80s/90s in the last 10 years with 4 SL titles, 2 Challenge Cups, 3 League Leaders Shields and 1 World Club Challenge. IL/KR are, and have, made some baffling decisions along the way such as Australia game and Millwall. They’ve also had some masterstrokes such as the appointment of Mags (IL) and then Wane. The decision to develop Robin Park into a training venue, bringing Danson on board.

There’s bad, and there’s good and at the moment we can’t see or know what the future holds yet as nothing we have had looks good and all bleak.

It’s easy to sit here and shout for IL to go. I could do it all day, as clearly could you but when you step back and take the blinkers off and look at the wider picture IL is the reason the club is in the position it is. Without him I dread to think where we’d be. He may have made some decisions that are baffling but to say he should go because of them is stupid.

Crowds are not coming back in droves because of the playing standard, playing roster and coach. It doesn’t matter who’s running the club in that respect.

I find your anti IL campaign laughable to be honest.

And covid, and the restrictions necessitated by it.