The team selection by not having 4 Props especially going with 2 smaller inexperienced lads on the bench was one where tactics to go round Leeds should have been the gameplan but we still toughed it out down the middle.

Another massive error was to take Piggy off when we did I like McIllorum but not up to being a second choice hooker for a top team we always toil with him on the field and I feel had we had some experience at the PTB, the pass to Tomkins would never have been made as he was badly out of position for the charge down which ultimately gave Leeds the field position to take the win.

In all honesty me heart drops whenever McIllorum comes on for Piggy, I always feel we are holding on rather than playing with McIllorum on the pitch.

What exactly has Pryce done wrong? Thought he was solid today, thought he nullified the massive threat of Scott Donald today.

Said for ages McIllorum needs to go on loan at the moment he is not good enough week in week out.

Sorry but have to disagree - you cant blame one players penalties in the first half for the loss of a game. He didnt let the try in and his defense was solid throughout. He needs a rollocking off Madge but he is no way to blame for the defeat - no more so than any of the others. When was his last penalty during the game? I think there were a good few made by others after his.

well as far as i am concerned goulding was in first and has never let us down this season, so therefore why was he dropped initially.

Because of his positional naivety.

Pryce did ok today it was never a wingmans day given the conditions but every time he was tested he came up with the right answers, his positioning for the kick through was outstanding especially given it was an attacking kick early in the tackle count.

Pryce again in my opinion deserves a shirt vs Cas.

I agree with you mate. We either need to bring in a quality scrum half with a long kicking game. Sam can play at FB, IMO he has all the attributes and the way the modern day FB is going Sam fits that role. Imagine him chiming in the line. Defence wont know whether he will kick/step/pass, and he also reads the game as good as anyone else.

didn't say he had done anything wrong, i just think out the 2 of them goulding is the better player and offers more, that is my opinion, which is what this forum is for, peoples different opinons.

Agreed, Pryce had a good game given the conditions and play pattern.

I really thought it was just me who had that same feeling. It really does feel like we're trying to cling on until we get Riddell back on the field, rather than creating an impact and taking the game up a gear.

As I have said in the rumours and signing thread, Brad Drew is available for the rest of the year if we have cap space I would snap him up on a short term deal for the rest of 2010.

No he gave them away in front of the posts 4 points as good as giving the try away

in the first half though werent they? We had plenty of time to turn the game round. So do you blame Gleeson as well for the 4 points he cost us at the end by missing the tackle? I dont blame anyone - good hard game.

4 points are 4 points no matter if they were in the first half or last min. Gleeson missed a tackle he did not give away stupid penalty's in front of the sticks Coley gives away to many penalty's he need to clean up his game and has needed to since he played for Salford.

Feka for 20 mins has got to be better than Tuson for zero minutes. As hard as our props appear to work during a game none of them to have the capability to make that game changing break, which in big games is the difference and despite all his faults Feka can do. Our props are 'plodders' especially Prescott.

On another note I am not sure which is worst to have in the side, Feka for some of his alleged defensive shortcomings(which I feel have been blown out of all proportion) or the likes of Bailey and Coley who give easy yardage away time after time with a commbination of penalties in the case of Bailey and dropped ball and penalty after penalty in the case of Coley.

Not sure Feka would have been the right call in those conditions. Think Farrell was unlucky not to come back on. Not sure how having tuson on the bench helped?

Completly agree, i personally feel that MM's treatment of Feka has been pretty harsh. Prescott has had more than enough chances and unfortunatly hasnt progressed and still comes up with the same errors in the majority of games he plays but he is still chosen so i feel it may well be more than a RL issue between the two of them. Bringing Feka on for a handful of drives would have gained us more yards than an 80 min stint from Prescott. No doubt Feka will be gone at the end of the year but i feel MM's desire not to play him may have contributed to todays defeat.

If they would have played, who would have made way for them ?

Chris Tuson for one at a guess.

Yep i guess that would be one, was fat feka injured or dropped?

Great game today from both sides.

You had us on the rack for at least 70 mins but couldnt finish. Your long kicking game was better but I dont recall any significant short kicking and in those conditions that was a major error given the territorial advantage you had certainly for most of the first half.

For me the crucial factor was our pack which played for the full 80... forgive me but I think yours played well for 70 which is understandable given your coaches decisions both pre match and late on ?????

The try itself was worthy of the victory Smith beat 2 men and carried 2 over the line.

Chariot like celebrations afterwards...what goes round comes round eh.




Forget the ref he was more or less the same for both sides.

The thing is though, we don't work with Feka day in day out in training, and don't have the benefit of knowing exactly what discussions Madge has had with him. It's therefore pretty hard for us to make an informed call on whether it's harsh or not.

He'd have to make the team in the first place to be dropped. Guess he did enough Good Friday and can put his feet up for the season now pal!

Whats good friday got to do with leeds knocking wigan out of the cc on the 29th of may 2010?