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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"In terms of defence what I cannot fathom is why Noble does not adjust his defence to fit the team. We have a big set of forwards and reasonably fast backs. Surely, an umbrella defence with the backs moving up quickly to force the opposition back into our forwards is a better bet than our sliding defence.'"
Worrying though if a side is defensively weak on the outside?
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| When Noble voiced comments about certain players having thier own agenda on the radio...he then stated he would have to make sure he picked the " right team " to play hull ....seems much the same to me.
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| Quote ="AJ"Agreed, in a week of such discontent (albeit after 1 round) and players clearly not performing, Noble is giving them all a chance to make amends and repay his faith. I hope he knows what he is doing.'"
Sorry mate but that was round 17 and if you're not up to it now then you haven't got much time left to put things right lol
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| Quote ="diesel"When Noble voiced comments about certain players having thier own agenda on the radio...he then stated he would have to make sure he picked the " right team " to play hull
....seems much the same to me.'"
He didn't directly said players had their own agenda. What he actually said, in response to the interviewer asking if the fact that a weakened Wakefield team had made some players complacent, he replied that as a team they had not focussed on the fact that Wakefield had injury problems, and if players had that on their own agendas he would be addresing that with them.
I think Trevor (was it Trevor?) on GMR just heard "the players have their own agendas" and went with it, and repeated that over and over, instead of placing it in context.
Noble only said that the team had not focussed on the injury situation in their match preparation.
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| This squad sums up the whole problem with Wigan under Noble.
No matter how badly they play (and last Sunday was as bad as possible surely), the vast majority of them know they'll NEVER get dropped with this man in charge. No pressure for places at all.
Sam Tomkins must wonder what the hell he has to do to get a chance.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"Unfortunately, yeah.
Tommy playing at hooker is too good of an attacking oppotunity to miss out on.
On the other hand, we do need stability at 6 and 7.
It's a big headache for Noble.'"
I think it is not just TL at 9 that may be attractive to Noble as an option but that he also wants to play both Lockers and J Tomkins.
The only way he can so that is move Lockers to 6 , Smith to 7, TL to 9 ( and Riddell to the bench).
If I am right he could do this by dropping Bailey and moving Lockers to 2nd row. With 39 tackles in the last game that would be tough on Bailey but that is the best choice Noble has if he wants to play both Lockers and J Tomkins IMO.
If on the other hand, it is just that TL is preferred as second hooker over McIllorum then Noble should bite the bullet and put TL on the bench as replacement hooker and play Smith at 7 and Sam T at 6 from the off.
I have my doubts we will ever see Smith at 7 and Sam T at 6 though as Smith is not a good defender and I reckon Noble thinks Sam T is too small to be a good defender as well.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I think it is not just TL at 9 that may be attractive to Noble as an option but that he also wants to play both Lockers and J Tomkins.
The only way he can so that is move Lockers to 6 , Smith to 7, TL to 9 ( and Riddell to the bench).
If I am right he could do this by dropping Bailey and moving Lockers to 2nd row. With 39 tackles in the last game that would be tough on Bailey but that is the best choice Noble has if he wants to play both Lockers and J Tomkins IMO.
If on the other hand it is just that TL is preferred as second hooker over McIllorum then Noble should bite the bullet and put TL on the bench as replacement hooker and play Smith at 7 and Sam T at 6 from the off.
I have my doubts we will ever see Smith at 7 and Sam T at 6 though as Smith is not a good defender and I reckon Noble thinks Sam T is too small to be a good defender as well.
Dave'"
Sam does tackle well above his weight though in Academy, although I accept SL is a far cry from Academy RL. What about putting one of our better defenders ie. Lockers etc inside him?
I like the idea of Smith/Tomkins starting HB but I don't think Tomkins should be thrown in as a panic by Noble, ST already has a tremendous amount of expectation and as a side effect of that, pressurisation from the fans to perform and to lift the team, I have no doubts whatsoever he has the capability and the ability to do so but ST should be brought into the first team in less pressure situations. Hull FC is too much of an important game for Wigan IMHO.
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| Glad to see that McIlorum is in the squad but i wouldn't expect him to be played. It's probably abit of a token gesture from Noble after the flack he recieved last weekend for not having a back up half/hooker on the bench.
I hope Lenagan takes matters into his own hands and offers Sam Tomkins to a few superleague clubs on loan to try and get the lad some experience.........he isn't going to get that here under Noble.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I think it is not just TL at 9 that may be attractive to Noble as an option but that he also wants to play both Lockers and J Tomkins.
The only way he can so that is move Lockers to 6 , Smith to 7, TL to 9 ( and Riddell to the bench).
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That's what I'd think is the best option for us to swith to once Riddell grafted with the forwards.
Remember how we scored our only try on Sunday? Tim Smith's short ball to O'Loughlin with J. Tomkins supporting.
In regards to Bailey, we had Hansen on the bench whom we know can do just as good if not better defensive display than Bailey, hence why I'd drop him and start Hansen who was sat on the bench for most the game and was waste of a sub.
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| How is it possible to lose a game in the fashion we did, and the only change being a forced one because the player got banned?
It's ridiculous. What's the point in having a large squad with competition for places, if you're not going to take advantage of it??
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| Quote ="Katrina"How is it possible to lose a game in the fashion we did, and the only change being a forced one because the player got banned?
It's ridiculous. What's the point in having a large squad with competition for places, if you're not going to take advantage of it??'"
Because it was the first game and to change everything round could have a more detrimental than advantageous effect?
I would have wanted probably one more change (Prescott for Coley) but other than that I'm happy with the squad selection and just hope the players perform differently.
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| Quote ="Elle Coco"Because it was the first game and to change everything round could have a more detrimental than advantageous effect?
I would have wanted probably one more change (Prescott for Coley) but other than that I'm happy with the squad selection and just hope the players perform differently.'"
That was the only other change I would have made.
Hopefully it may still happen.
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| Quote ="Elle Coco"Because it was the first game and to change everything round could have a more detrimental than advantageous effect?
I would have wanted probably one more change (Prescott for Coley) but other than that I'm happy with the squad selection and just hope the players perform differently.'"
Quite.
Now if he keeps picking the same squad and we keep getting performances like we did on Sunday, THEN I think we'd need to question why nothing was changing.
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| Although if the Noble philosophy was true that early season matches are not important then this would be the best time to make changes
I do not agree with this but I am trying to apply logic to Noble's Law Of RL
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"
I am trying to apply logic to Noble's Law Of RL'"
You think he uses logic??
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| Quote ="Nucking Futs"You think he uses logic??
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| There is enough quality in the team to win against Hull - although it is a shame not to see sam in the team.
I've not seen how well sam plays in defence but I'm wondering whether Noble thinks having Sam and Tim at 6&7 will prove too much of a weakness in defence? People who watch the reserves will have a better idea than me on this.
The big thing for me is whether we work as a team, improve ball control and work harder off the ball with more options from dummy half. If we do that we will have a chance regardless of a couple of contentious selections.
However I will be suprised if both O'Carroll and Prescott aren't in the team at the expense of Coley.
Noble does also have to sort out the replacement hooker role - moving Sean to SO is not a solution for the rest of the season.
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Coley has to be dropped a message has to be sent out letting players know performances that shocking are not allowed. Neeeeeeeeeeed McIlorum on the bench that stupid music chairs they did against an under strength wakefield side proved to be a thorn in the side.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Although if the Noble philosophy was true that early season matches are not important then this would be the best time to make changes
I do not agree with this but I am trying to apply logic to Noble's Law Of RL'"
I would love to get Brian Noble and you together and ask him if he really thinks early season matches are not important. My guess is hes never said that but youve twisted his words. I would hazard a guess that hes said something along the lines of 'early season form is not as important as end of season form'. He has stated time and time again that the start of the season is more about grinding out wins and picking up as many points as you can ready for your end of season charge into the play offs. I agree with him,what is the point of peaking at the start of the season and fading when play off time comes around.
If Brian Noble ever stated that early season matches are not important then id be very very suprised.
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| McIlorum included in the squad that's a good sign. Hopefully he will see sense and play with 2 hookers in the side.
Coley should be dropped IMO but I'm unsure on Prescott's fitness. I'm not convinced he's 100% he had some back problem a while back IIRC?
Other than that I'm quite happy TBH
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| McIllorum & Prescott in.
Coley & Bailey out.
Re Tomkins, If after ten rounds he is nowhere near the first team, and hasnt had a look in, then questions need to be asked.
I suppose Noble is giving them a chance to redeem themselves, if we falter again, we should look for more changes against Cas next Friday.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"I would love to get Brian Noble and you together and ask him if he really thinks early season matches are not important. My guess is hes never said that but youve twisted his words. I would hazard a guess that hes said something along the lines of 'early season form is not as important as end of season form'. He has stated time and time again that the start of the season is more about grinding out wins and picking up as many points as you can ready for your end of season charge into the play offs. I agree with him,what is the point of peaking at the start of the season and fading when play off time comes around.
If Brian Noble ever stated that early season matches are not important then id be very very suprised.'"
That is much closer to what he actually said. Methinks Charlie is doing a little fishing again.
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| Quote ="Cadoo!"McIlorum included in the squad that's a good sign. Hopefully he will see sense and play with 2 hookers in the side.
Coley should be dropped IMO but I'm unsure on Prescott's fitness. I'm not convinced he's 100% he had some back problem a while back IIRC?
Other than that I'm quite happy TBH
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I don't understand all the knocking of Coley. Go and look on the Super League website's stats for last season. You'll see he actually made more metres than Fielden and more tackles than Feka.
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