another one !

who are you saying will win the final please

no if you go to willhill.com the outriht odds are 8/13 Wigan 6/5 St Helens

quite a gap, but it represents the form to be fair.

I'm not, my head says one thing, my heart the other.

8/13 outright is a stinker of a price. I dont know what form you are talking about because Saints have lost 1 in about their last ten and we have deffo lost more than that.

come on you can do it, let your heart fight your head and type it, we wont hold it against you, promise

not my form calcs, those are William Hill's

I think if I am making a book for the game the key facts are

- 2010 all results
- how the teams have performed against handicap week on week, weighted to recent 6 weeks.
- injuries and team news
- liabilities on already placed bets for grand final winners ( such as yours truly

)

so looking at 2010, Wigan have won more games, much better points difference, have no serious injury worries, and just about anyone who placed a bet on this game will have backed Wigan, we looked unstoppable at Leeds really really unstoppable, and the home defeat will have been allocated to ref error / cheating, we did actually deserve to win that game.

So for me I would have it as 6 points start for the scummers.

Nothing like a big derby game to bring out the Johnny-Come-Latelys



I've not seen many examples of arrogance from either set of fans. I think it shows how it's too close to call.

Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought we won it in '98...i'm sure i was at the match, 10-4 against Leeds i think if i'm not mistaken

The poster I replied to was talking about 4 GF losses on the spin - so including a Saints loss in 2010.

If you turn it round (i.e. Saints win in 2010) it would be 2 wins in 5 years for Saints v no wins in 12 years for Wigan (99,00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10).

OK , i get your point now

I'm not sure I even had much of a point so don't worry too much

Would this be at the same time you were cheating to win a title

. People in glasshouses and all that...

saints will beat wigan saturday

Wigan will beat Saints saturday

We were`nt the only team supposedly cheating why do you have to bring that up?

And leigh wont even be part of a sl let alone a gf for years to come

If it's still 0-0 at 8:00 on Saturday I'll run naked from Knowsley Road to DW. And as a Saints fan I will have to say a Saints win, just as Wigan fans would not say other than a Wigan win.

I just can't wait! I want to go take my seat now, it'd be worth the wait!

Most Saints fans I have come across have been too negative for more liking, certainly not arrogant.

I was actually just coming on here to survey the arrogance of the Wigan fans, most of whom seem to think that they only have to turn up to win.



It just goes to show people see what they want to see and not what is really there sometimes.

Either set of fans being arrogant are setting themselves up for a massive fall.

This game is heads or tails. It could go either way.

I've not seen arrogance from either side, its just too close to call!

Correct, and most are just happy to not see Leeds there!

I know i am! the team, but mostly the fans!

Just had a Wire fan delivering something at my work and i had my Wigan shirt on. He said to me "I hope you beat them, sh**ty, scum*y Saints t*ats on Saturday. They are convinced they've got it won!"

I said we will give it a good go!

Several of your GF wins came at a time you were cheating to win.