Damn you didn't bite. Well done

I can only assume someone has hacked into Horatio Yed's account. It would be so out of character for a Wire mod to launch a childishly insulting attack on a Wigan fan, clearly....

That's what I was thinking

You are arrogant, no mention of salary cap either now you're winning again, quel surprise, we used to have to put up with page after page of whining because you weren't winning with you being the main advocat of salary cap scrapping, now not a peep.
Your belief that Wigan should be able to buy whoever and whatever they could afford to the detriment of everyone else, that smacks of arrogance to me. Just because you have gone nearly 2 seasons without mentioning it doesn't mean i have forgotten.

That's more like it!

If our stadium was only 18k though we would lose out on a lot of ticket sales.

We have had 13 crowds over 18k in the last 5 years. 4 of those have come this season. Without the extra capacity we couldn't have those big crowds and we couldn't do things like the 'big one' etc. We probably would of had to take the WCC somewhere else.

This extra capacity will also allow our crowds to grow without having to worry about expansion of the stadium.

Extra capacity also allows for more hospitality seats, we have loads in the west stand and it is pretty much full every game from where I am sat.

Just to add, Warrington don't exactly sell-out every game.... and every single one of our home crowds this year have been above the capacity of the HJ.

Barcelona have the largest stadium in europe, the Nou Camp holds 98k, they don't actually fill it every game.

Eh? It's only a couple of months ago I was being accused on this board of "foaming at the mouth" after posting on the subject of the salary cap! I just can't win. One minute I'm an obsessive and the next I don't care. You couldn't make this stuff up.



Oh, and the idea of IL going off on a spending spree is just laughable.



Oh, and thanks for the insult. Again.

Is arrogance an insult?

crackin ground. can t wait to beat them . lets hope we are the first team to play them there. personally i think 18 - 20 thousand capacity is more than enough for any rugby league ground.........

Wigans average attendance 2011 so far, consider Cru and Bradford will probably bring this figure down lower.

16,053, concerted effort v Giants and no effort needed with Wire/Saints, take those 3 out the equation and our ground is actually big enough for Wigan.

Everyone of our games apart from Catalans has had an attendance bigger than the figure quoted as sold out for the QF at the HJ, so I dont get how that's true!

I dont know how you work that one out when all but one of our home games (Catalan) this season have had bigger attendances than the capacity of HJ Stadium.

Beat me

16,348 actually.

So ok take those 3 crowds away, why? We have them so therefore we need a bigger stadium.

Even without them.

Well over 15k against Hull FC
Well over 14k against Hull KR
Well over 16k against Leeds

Quins is the only crowd we had that would fit in your stadium, we have 18k for that in the past though.

Even 2010 taking away our 3 biggest crowds (because yed feels the need)

Still had over 15k against Hull FC
18k against Leeds
17k against bradford
14k against Cas
well over 14k against wakey

Yeh right.... a 13k stadium is big enough



You even said yourself our average is above 16k. So how could we cope with a 13k stadium.

You level of idiocy just went up higher than I have ever seen it.

Even if you take into consideration the fact we have 10000 season tickets. What happens to the fans who want to buy tickets throughout the season? And it also always limits away support to around 3000. Never heard so much rubbish in all my life

You need some better maths mate, plus i said 2011 not 2010, why don't i pull Bradfords attendances of 2003 instead of 2011 i could make a point they are the best supported team.

taking away you'r three biggest because a) Wigan v Wire, Wire v Saints, Saints v Wigan unnaturally scew results they would all sell out 20k+ no matter what stadium currently if played at home(saints not quite at home this year scews theirs slightly)
b) artifically inflated attendance v Hudds (look at your previous season seeing as you like that in which you get nowhere near 19k for Hudds)

The average without those 3 games is actually 14,037 (would you like a lesson in working out averages?)
and yes i know the HJ is 13, 024 but i also said FOR WIGAN, you must actually remember other teams bring fans too which means 13024 is big enough for JUST Wigan, obviously you factor in away support at a least 1k

I've seen you maths on other threads anyway OD.

It's like Warrington justifying having a 22k stadium just because we could sell it out against you, another reason i took those games out the equation.
Our attendance is roughy (without actually working it out 10.5k) now you factor in a potential 2 games v Saints and Wigan selling 22k and the average jumps up by 2 thousand.

Long and short of it, 18k is more than adequate for Wigan just because a couple of games goes above it doesn't mean it's the norm and doesn't justify saying 'we are the biggest team therfore need more than 18k'.

You're average would suggest you don't more than 18k and factoring out 2 games that go against the norm/average (meaning your usual level) all your fans would fit in our stadium.

Can't believe i typed that out for the sake of my own ego, im cream cracked.

Lastly
(18k for Quins, thanks Heinz)

Firstly the size of the stadium is related to more than just this year which is why I used that stat.

They don't screw results, like we said, we get more 18k crowds than just from those games.

FOR WIGAN

oh dear Yed you really are hitting a new low. I can't even believe I am wasting my time posting back. What stadium is big enough for Warrington then taking away the big crowds

can we not allow for expansion etc. You really are an idiot.

Of course I know how to work out an average, but an average includes ALL of the results not just YEDS selected ones.

22k sell out against us? No chance. The games against us only sell-out days before the games. When we get 22k crowds against you we usually have 16k sold a week before. It doesn't happen overnight. Your team doesn't experience crowds this high though so I can understand the confusion.

The FACT is we DO get those crowds so we DO need that sized stadium. The chairman wants to aim for a 20k average.

You are a MOD, you behaviour is sometime just plain stupid...

made up fact of the day?

And I remember watching Wigan against Saints when there were about 47,747 fans at Central Park. Things used to be rosier than they are now.

Which season was this? I checked on Bilko's site and looked at 1980-81 when we were in the 2nd division but Workington weren't in the same division. The year after when we played them there were 5910. I have watched Wigan for over 50 years and I can't remember a crowd of 2,500 against Workington. I may be wrong because I haven't been to every match and I missed a lot through playing some rugby myself.

I was given a shilling (5p) for attendance to home games in the hen pen next to the players tunnel. Most times it would be save the money and climb over the wall near the cop end or St Mary's. Things in the 70's certainly were not all rosey, poor attended games and maybe the Wigan sevens and Locker cup as the highlights.

Missing the point-tastic, Wire sold 35K for wembley, should we build a 35k stadium?

Wire would probably sell 20k+ plus tickets if we had the capacity, for a derby game, doesn't mean we should have a 20k+ stadium for the sake of 2 games a year.

18k would be ideal for wigan like someone says 10k season ticket holders, 3k allocation MAX for away fans, 5k home walk up.

but thats for a final at a neutral venue. We are on about home league matches

No, i'm on about a potential maximum crowd versus average for the sake of working out how big your stadium should IDEALLY be.

ok, but why bring up a crowd for a final in a neutral venue?