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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"What action do you think should have been taken against Coley for the spear tackle?'"
None. It wasn't a spear tackle, just a Grade A dangerous throw.
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| Charged with a Grade A, will probably get a £300 fine and No ban due to No previous appearences before the disciplinary. Harsh in my opinion but prabably lenient in the eyes of Leeds fans!!
Interesting that Senior could face a ban but Bentham saw it as only a penalty
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"the penalty against O'loughlin when his arm was trapped. '"
Abllet totally conned the ref with that one.
One that you got away with, however, was for a possible voluntary tackle by Stuart Fielden.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Abllet totally conned the ref with that one.
One that you got away with, however, was for a possible voluntary tackle by Stuart Fielden.'"
Ref called "play on" and Stu rightly did attempt to get to his feet plus it didnt matter as if Fielden is on the floor which he was, it only takes a fingertip to touch him and tackle is deemed complete, it was BENThams mistake calling play on as Fielden was touched when he was on the floor therefore he rightly thought tackle was complete until BENTham called play on, if Fielden had attempted to play the ball he would have been penalised.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Ref called "play on" and Stu rightly did attempt to get to his feet plus it didnt matter as if Fielden is on the floor which he was, it only takes a fingertip to touch him and tackle is deemed complete, it was BENThams mistake calling play on as Fielden was touched when he was on the floor therefore he rightly thought tackle was complete until BENTham called play on, if Fielden had attempted to play the ball he would have been penalised.'"
So the penalty cannot be given unless they try and play the ball? Fair enough, [size=50I should remeber the small print from the whole Chris Joynt business.[/sizeStu certainly took a bit of convincing to get up though!
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| Quote ="Geoff"None. It wasn't a spear tackle, just a Grade A dangerous throw.'"
I disagree. I thought it was a pretty bad spear tackle to be honest and if a Leeds player had done it we would all be going mad. I can see him getting a 1 or 2 match ban.
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| Quote ="Chorley Rhino"The OP has a title on this thread of "Why Wigan lost......" Erm, pardom me for stating the obvious but dudnt we score more points than you?'"
If thats as deep as your analysis of a match gets, you're better off avoiding this board.
There is a reason why you scored more points than us and that was our poor disciplibe, particularly at key moments in the game.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Its strange because I, similar to Jiffy, felt Wigan were the more deserving team overall and were unlucky to fall victim of a big play in the last minute.
However, Sinfield had an off day with the boot. Most weeks Leeds wouldn't have been trailing as they were throughout that match and wouldn't have needed a last gasp winner.'"
If Sinfield would have kicked the first penalty then Leeds wouldnt have been in the position to get the second penalty, so maybe they'd have been level going into the last few minutes. Only just watching it back now. Just seen Maguire go un-punished for kicking the ball away. Still think home advantage was everything in this match, 50/50 decisions play a huge part in tight games.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"The biggest decision of the game though in my opinion was to rule a handover from the VR when Tomkins was held up, it was a blatant knock on by Smith that was missed and should have been a scrum to wigan on Leeds 10m line with 6 tackles and this COULD have had a major bearing on the game.'"
Was the advantage not played by Tomkins? had the ref blown with Tomkins ball in hand going for the line I'm sure you would not have been pleased.
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| Quote ="Famous"I disagree. I thought it was a pretty bad spear tackle to be honest and if a Leeds player had done it we would all be going mad. I can see him getting a 1 or 2 match ban.'"
It was a bad tackle, exactly the same as what Nick Scrutton was sent of for in 2008, I don't see Coley as a dirty player and I don't think he has much previous so I would expect a warning or 1 game ban.
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[i"Textbook tackle with the guy being slammed on his back"
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"That's it, lets all pack it it in"[/i
Just look one eyed and stupid
Imagine if Ryan Bailey had done the same thing rlfans would be a burned out hard drive by now.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Interesting that Senior could face a ban but Bentham saw it as only a penalty'"
I doubt he'll get a ban to be honest. In my view, even though the contact was bad, it was accidental. It's exactly the same as an unintentional high shot. He'll just get a warning letter about lashing out in tackles.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Interesting that Senior could face a ban but Bentham saw it as only a penalty'"
Not really, don't most bans come from penalty's?
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| Quote ="mirfieldrhino"I doubt he'll get a ban to be honest. In my view, even though the contact was bad, it was accidental. It's exactly the same as an unintentional high shot. He'll just get a warning letter about lashing out in tackles.'"
I tend to agree, I'm not really having a go at Senior, he did seem to show concern for Joel but you are right it is quite similar in a funny way to a reckless high tackle, not done on purpose but still dangerous and worthy of a ban in some instances.
Not sure of Seniors record though if he has previous Bans they may give him a game.
To be honest the most annoying thing about it was ET (Kear) saying it was fine and he was "just making himself room for the play of the ball" With his legs!!?? Kear went mad last year when Sam caught Cunningham with a flailing leg in a tackle and called for Sam to be banned
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Not really, don't most bans come from penalty's?'"
My point was clearly that Bentham saw it ONLY as a penalty When anything that is deemed bad enough to be charged with a Grade A offence should at least be worthy of 10 in the bin.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Was the advantage not played by Tomkins? had the ref blown with Tomkins ball in hand going for the line I'm sure you would not have been pleased.'"
Yes but it was in the same tackle so advantage would not have been over, if Tomkins had scored it would have been allowed but he wasnt so it should have been brought back to the original knock on by Smith.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"It was a bad tackle, exactly the same as what Nick Scrutton was sent of for in 2008'"
Are you on Glue!!!!! how can you compare this tackle with the one by scruton!!????
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Are you on Glue!!!!! how can you compare this tackle with the one by scruton!!????'"
The only difference was that Coley was lucky as to how the player fell. A tiny amount more rotation and he's on his neck - it was very dangerous.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"My point was clearly that Bentham saw it ONLY as a penalty When anything that is deemed bad enough to be charged with a Grade A offence should at least be worthy of 10 in the bin.'"
Like Coley's dangerous throw then?
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Are you on Glue!!!!! how can you compare this tackle with the one by scruton!!????'"
No thanks I've given the glue up.
The only difference was that the tackled player bent his back, the tackle made was just the same, had Delaney stayed straight he would have landed on his head.
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| Quote ="mirfieldrhino"Like Coley's dangerous throw then?'"
If you like yes, I'm not condoning Coleys Tackle but there were 2 main differences, Delaney DID land on his back hence the Grade A if he had gone more vertical would have been worse than A its a fine line take sam tomkins tackle last week v crusaders was similar but with no case to answer, and delaney got up and played on with no problems. Joel was injured quite badly as a result of VERY dangerous play (albeit accidental) and needed 8 stitches in a severe cut and could have lost his eye.
A tackle can quite easily stray high or be a bit dangerous but you dont expect to be kicked fully in the face and there is NO NEED whatsoever for Seniors boot to be so high, Joel must be 6'4"ish!!!
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"The only difference was that Coley was lucky as to how the player fell. A tiny amount more rotation and he's on his neck - it was very dangerous.'"
Clearly not, if it was very dangerous as you put it it would be worse than a grade A. We are talking inches for gods sake!! Yes if he had been a few more inches over it would have been on his neck but you could argue if Peacocks "tackle" was a few inches higher it would have been a shocker!
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"No thanks I've given the glue up.
The only difference was that the tackled player bent his back, the tackle made was just the same, had Delaney stayed straight he would have landed on his head.'"
Yes but Delaney DID stay straight, if he hadnt it would have been worse I agree, but the Judiciary will not use your example as defence for coley, they will look at the final outcome, Delaney landed on his back therefore making it less of an issue for coley. Next we will be saying Delaney should have thrown his head to the floor to make the punishment worse for coley (just like when Mcguire went down like he had been shot after Farrell caught him)
The attackers actions in the tackle have a major bearing on the outcome look at Sam when Peacock tackled him, if he had not put his arm up to protect himself he would have been caught on the chin and peacock would have been suspended (had an international not been coming up) but he wasnt and was very lucky that Sam put his arm up to protect himself.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"Yes but Delaney DID stay straight, if he hadnt it would have been worse I agree, but the Judiciary will not use your example as defence for coley, they will look at the final outcome, Delaney landed on his back therefore making it less of an issue for coley. Next we will be saying Delaney should have thrown his head to the floor to make the punishment worse for coley (just like when Mcguire went down like he had been shot after Farrell caught him)
The attackers actions in the tackle have a major bearing on the outcome look at Sam when Peacock tackled him, if he had not put his arm up to protect himself he would have been caught on the chin and peacock would have been suspended (had an international not been coming up) but he wasnt and was very lucky that Sam put his arm up to protect himself.'"
No he didn't, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the rest of your post? I have not made any mention as to what punishment Coley should or shouldn't receive.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Was the advantage not played by Tomkins? had the ref blown with Tomkins ball in hand going for the line I'm sure you would not have been pleased.'"
Even if the advantage had been played it should have been 1st tackle, play the ball 10 metres out as Sam was held up over the line.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Even if the advantage had been played it should have been 1st tackle, play the ball 10 metres out as Sam was held up over the line.'"
Was a very poor decision from the video ref. Bentham even says to him that Leeds have knocked on but he still gave a handover. Even the players are saying there were some poor calls in this weeks local paper
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