Spot on. The head in the sand approach must end soon surely.

That's all true, NK, but it's like you only mentioned the good bits!

French?

He reminds me of Charnley is so many ways, including his attitude and half hearted efforts now he’s become billy big .

It's a footnote now, but does anyone agree with us going for 2 when we were 6-2 down near their line? I thought it was a waste of field position, still left us needing to score and basically said to an already-confident Saints "We don't think we can score a try even from here."

In hindsight no but at the time I think it was the right decision, get the 2 and continue to build pressure. I think most teams would have gone for the 2 to be totally honest

Completely agree. It’s easy to forget their age when the way they are playing is far beyond their age and experience.

In hindsight, Wigan should of known it wouldn't work as Wire did it 3 times last week and still lost.....

Thought that was a dreadful decision that gave a really poor message.

Both Wire and Wigan in recent weeks have told the Saints defence they think it is too strong for them early on in games.

It wasn't the right decision. But we wouldn't have scored.

I thought it was the right decision at the time, bringing it back to 6 - 4.

The two decisions for Saints 1st try were wrong.

1) The pass to Makinson was a good metre forward but, 2) the play should have been stopped just before that as Leuluai was being attended to by the doctor with a head injury. I thought that protocol was introduced this season?

Was it just me or were our medical team hugely naive? They got him to move the ten yards to the side of the pitch rather than just getting him to lie down.

It was on the side we were stood we couldn’t believe it.

Not seen it back but I was sat in line with the Makinson pass and thought it was fine at the time.

I called it forward at the time. I've seen it back and it is forward. Wouldn't have made any difference to the result though!

terrible by the medical team

but by taking 2 you relieve pressure, the second one we should have taken the tap and built pressure on them. Some very poor decision making and leadership

We've had quite a few teams now who have opted for the 2 points they also kick for touch on the last tackle when this happens its as though they want a breather and gives us that mental edge, we quite often up the tempo in defence and attack to control the game on our terms.

Always seems to be that 'taking the two' is a fashion: if one team does it , other follows suit. We see that in the NRL, and SL too. Few years ago it was a rarity, now it's commonplace.

I agree with it to put yourself level, ahead by 1 or 2, or to make it so the opposition need a further try, but going for 2 points which will still leave you behind is unusual, and far too negative IMO.

Only times you take two -

When down by 2

Level scores

Up by 6

Up by 12

Up by 18

Very very negative taking it when 4 behind.

Although I think lam’s theory was we had done a lot of defending just before that and the lads could do with a minute.

Just kept handing them field position and it’s tough enough to win that battle against Walmsley and Thompson as it is. I doubt we’ve got it in us this year to topple Saints (should we meet again) but I’m sure we could have a dig with Lockers, Flower, Clubb, Greenwood and potentially a new prop on board.

Negative for me...

And i thought so at the time. Field position is vital, and to have scored at that stage would have made a big difference to the mood and mindset. Crucially, Saints would not have expected us to go for a try, so that would have worked in our favour, they would have expected the kick, and not for us to play for 6!

But then, i always feel i can win, no matter how unrealistic. You have to have a belief in yourself, and your team, or you may as well go home.

Going for the two is not always the wrong decision, but there are definitely times when it tells the opposition that you don't think you can score ... especially if the alternative would be taking a second set of six right on their line. Sometimes it's even a relief to your opponents.

Back in the day, there were stories that Shaun Edwards used to deliberately stand off-side if he felt Wigan were tiring, in the knowledge that the opposition would go for goal, thereby reducing the risk of incurring six points by sacrificing two instead.

It's a moot point whether it encouraged Saints on Friday night, but I'm in no doubt whatsoever that a similar decision cost us the Grand Final in 2014. It was midway through the second half, Saints were rocking and we were camped on their line - and, quite ridiculously, we let them off the hook by getting a penalty in front of the posts and going for two.

In this situation, you had to accept that Saints were the better team from the off, and times that you would have field position, limited. I would have pressed for a try attempt.

Its an old sporting maxim, let the opposition worry about what you are going to do. If you are too concerned about the opposition, much stronger in this instance, you are destined to get the outcome expected, which we did.

To be fair with so many missing from your pack gaining territory was always going to be an issue.