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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"The point is surely - no-one but the player himself can know whether it was malicious, so therefore it is an irrelevance. And as you well know, whether Dixon ducked into the challenge "somewhat" or not, is also an irrelevance. So why even mention it? Other than to excuse MMc.
I think it makes us bigger if we accept our faults (not make excuses) and work on them. MMc will have a few weeks now to consider things. I hope he comes back with a better attitude (like last season after getting a ban in the playoffs in 2012 for getting sent off in an otherwise meaninghless end of season game against Saints) and doesn't attempt to hurt anyone, thus giving away needless penalties, thus giving away field position, thus ultimately hurting his own team.'"
Why would a player ducking in to a challenge be an irrelevance? If you go to whack somebody around the chest and they duck the chances are your going to hit them higher on the body then originally intended.
He'll get what he deserves ultimately.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He'll get what he deserves ultimately.'"
Yeah, that's definitely how it works with the RFL disciplinary
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| Looks like he's not taking the EGP and contesting the charge.
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| Whatever happens with the ban happens, but I'm interested to see do we really think he's captain material? He seems close to the edge a lot of the time and has a tendency to step over it. I don't really have him down as a leader and he seems to be struggling with his game enough at the moment without putting the captaincy on his shoulders...
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| If he does cop a ban then the captaincy will go to someone else until Lockers returns. From Sunday's game the obvious leader out there was Matty Smith both in the game he played and his vocal contribution.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Looks like he's not taking the EGP and contesting the charge.'"
Which would appear to show that Wigan think that Dixon fell into the tackle as is the thought of many of the fans who were at the game. I know we were a long way from it, but also the referee just gave a penalty. The video on Wigan t.v. is also inconclusive.
If Wigan or Cas have a better video of it then that should be used, and if the initial contact is to the jaw than he should be punished.
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| I thought Dixon mis judged the kick and he was off balance when MicMac tackled him.
Only seen it the once and from 80 yards away or so, that's what it looked like to me. Also from that distance and the fact Dixon stayed down I wondered if there'd been a clash of heads. Obviously not.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Which would appear to show that Wigan think that Dixon fell into the tackle as is the thought of many of the fans who were at the game. I know we were a long way from it, but also the referee just gave a penalty. The video on Wigan t.v. is also inconclusive.
If Wigan or Cas have a better video of it then that should be used, and if the initial contact is to the jaw than he should be punished.'"
This continued search for mitigation is admirable. I mean - Dixon was falling, Dixon was off balance, Micky hit him on the shoulder first, Micky didn't intend to hurt him, Micky wasn't being malicious. How about this?
It should have been a penalty the other way really - Dixon shouldn't be hitting Mick's arm with his jaw. Something for Dixon to ponder on whilst he's sucking soup through a straw.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"This continued search for mitigation is admirable. I mean - Dixon was falling, Dixon was off balance, Micky hit him on the shoulder first, Micky didn't intend to hurt him, Micky wasn't being malicious. How about this?
It should have been a penalty the other way really - Dixon shouldn't be hitting Mick's arm with his jaw. Something for Dixon to ponder on whilst he's sucking soup through a straw.'"
Have you watched it again. Can you honestly tell me where the contact is. I have and I can't, just as I couldn't on Sunday from where I was stood (a long way from the tackle)
That's why I said if there is better video evidence then let it be used and if it's proved that the contact was to the jaw then he deserves a long ban.
The referee and touch judges saw nothing other than a penalty, no sending off no on report and they were a lot closer than I (or I suspect you ) were.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Have you watched it again. Can you honestly tell me where the contact is. I have and I can't, just as I couldn't on Sunday from where I was stood (a long way from the tackle)
That's why I said if there is better video evidence then let it be used and if it's proved that the contact was to the jaw then he deserves a long ban.
The referee and touch judges saw nothing other than a penalty, no sending off no on report and they were a lot closer than I (or I suspect you ) were.'"
Do you not think that this seems to happen far too often to MM to continue the road of "this is just bad luck"?
Whether it be intent, mistiming, or miscalculation, as a player he is involved in far too many of these incidents. I'm not suggesting burning him at the stake, but his tackling technique (if it is mistiming) or whatever the problem is needs to be rectified. Whether that's a prolonged stay on the sidelines, I don't know (it's not for me to say) - but teams shouldn't face Wigan EXPECTING to have a player taken out.
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| MM does need to be careful though or he'll start making a reputation for himself, a la Newton. Being aggressive is fine, but it needs to be controlled...
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"MM does need to be careful though or he'll start making a reputation for himself, a la Newton. Being aggressive is fine, but it needs to be controlled...'"
Agree.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Have you watched it again. Can you honestly tell me where the contact is. I have and I can't, just as I couldn't on Sunday from where I was stood (a long way from the tackle)
That's why I said if there is better video evidence then let it be used and if it's proved that the contact was to the jaw then he deserves a long ban.
The referee and touch judges saw nothing other than a penalty, no sending off no on report and they were a lot closer than I (or I suspect you ) were.'"
agreed thats what I posted before. The Wigan tv looks like he ducked a bit, but the reaction of the players and fans seems to say otherwise and they were closer and on the same side. The wigan tv angle doesnt show much.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Do you not think that this seems to happen far too often to MM to continue the road of "this is just bad luck"?
Whether it be intent, mistiming, or miscalculation, as a player he is involved in far too many of these incidents. I'm not suggesting burning him at the stake, but his tackling technique (if it is mistiming) or whatever the problem is needs to be rectified. Whether that's a prolonged stay on the sidelines, I don't know (it's not for me to say) - but teams shouldn't face Wigan EXPECTING to have a player taken out.'"
Are you saying Cas expected someone to get taken out? And that they only expect this when playing against Wigan? Are you saying every team in SL expects to have a player taken out when playing Wigan? Or are you just having a pop at Wigan - again?
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| There's a lot playing judge, jury and executioner on here. Glad some of you aren't on the judiciary panel. Just let them deal with it and do your whinging and moaning afterwards.
At the end of the day the game is often played at lightning pace and every single player goes into every single tackle to stop the opposition players, many try to dominate and "hurt" the opponent albeit usually legally. who are we to judge if these tackles often cross a line, we'd all cheer on the terraces at a huge but fair hit yet many whinge and moan when a tackle strays high or is mistimed. We as fans can't possibly judge on wether a player has deliberately tried to hurt or injure another player. I love a player who has a bit of mongrel in them, a player who is not scared to stick up for themselves ala Newton and Mickey. Where I do draw the line is when a player does what Elima did the other week something that I'm glad to say mickey could never be accused of. At he opposite end of the scale imagine how boring the game would be if we had 34 David Hodgsons turning out week in week out.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Do you not think that this seems to happen far too often to MM to continue the road of "this is just bad luck"?
Whether it be intent, mistiming, or miscalculation, as a player he is involved in far too many of these incidents. I'm not suggesting burning him at the stake, but his tackling technique (if it is mistiming) or whatever the problem is needs to be rectified. Whether that's a prolonged stay on the sidelines, I don't know (it's not for me to say) - but teams shouldn't face Wigan EXPECTING to have a player taken out.'"
It's hardly happening far too often. Pretty sure he's only been banned twice in his professional career.
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| Thank you JJ and Vectrabeast for making two excellent posts on this matter... Thats shocked you both... lol
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Quote ="Cherry.Pie"It's hardly happening far too often. Pretty sure he's only been banned twice in his professional career.'"
Been called up over 20 times though. Almost all on high/ careless/ dangerous/ late challenges
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary?pl ... tartrow=25
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Been called up over 20 times though. Almost all on high/ careless/ dangerous/ late challenges
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary?pl ... tartrow=25
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They aren't call ups, they are cited incidents, which mean very little, because if he hasn't been banned he's not done much wrong.
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They aren't call ups, they are cited incidents, which mean very little, because if he hasn't been banned he's not done much wrong.
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| Going off the current set up if you got called up twenty times you'd have had twenty bans.
Some players are being cited numerous times in one game. In Sundays game Pettybourne had 2 or 3 incidents that were looked at for example.
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"MM does need to be careful though or he'll start making a reputation for himself, a la Newton. Being aggressive is fine, but it needs to be controlled...'"
He already has a reputation as a thug
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| Sounds fair enough. Only surprise is that we'd decided to contest it because it rarely works out well doing that.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"They aren't call ups, they are cited incidents, which mean very little, because if he hasn't been banned he's not done much wrong.'"
Which is why I said in my first post (that certain people got uppity about) he was involved in "incidents" - in fact I haven't even said he's done anything wrong. I understand aggression can be mistaken for dirty, mistiming for malicious etc. But these incidents do keep occurring around mm more than average. Compare the citings to that of Jon Wilkin (who has a reputation as a "dirty player"icon_wink.gif and it's near double.
Anyway 3 games and a fine. Onwards and upwards. Interesting he didn't use the egp? Is he thinking he'll need it later?
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