The sky commentry were simply their usual drivel. Player does something quite good then they turn him into a superstar, back to his best etc. I find most of them pathetic and only really take notice of whichever coach is on the panel. Shaun McRae , i find informative and reasoned. With the no try at the end, i thought he knocked on but wasn't sure whether it was my bias or not untill McRae said it was a knock on. My conclusion is to sack all the regular sky team and appoint a decent professional commentator with McCrea in the 'Stevo' role.

As for the game i thought it was a good contest which could have been a whole lot better but for inept refereeing. Alibert got a large number of obvious and important calls wrong. Sam should have seen yellow, Richards taken out in the air, a whole string of forward passes, i'm not convinced Webb knows how to pass backwards, fotunately for us the one for Pat's try to name but a few. The thing that annoyed me most was the messing about at the play the ball he allowed (from both teams). It was ok in the first half but as the second went on and the players relalised that the were getting away with it it just got worse and worse.

Overall, Leeds played the best game i've seen them play this year, we were not great however still managed to come up with a win. That's a big positive to take from the game.

There's two Saints fans coming on here and complaining about forward passes ?



That's a bit rich from them, when they get their 'obligatory forward pass try' every game.

Come the play offs, you will see who took the most from this game.

Well there is no actual psychological points system to refer to because "psychology" does not benefit from having its own objective scoring system, so one cannot hope to claim any real advantage based on psychology alone. There is simple no tangible accreditation on any form of league table (due mainly to the intransient nature of psychological point scoring). However, it must feel pretty good deep down inside to have the psychological advantage.

Well a leeds side over revving in 6th with halibut giving everything to them in the first 20 (after that he was equally bad for both) couldn't beat Wigan side that just about shifted to 2nd for 10 minutes in the second half.

You dont get a psychological advantage over somebody unless you beat them



Leeds best two games this season have been against us but they havent won any of them, if thats an advantage maybe we should start trying to lose instead?

That just isn't always true, is it?

Tell me an instant where it isnt. You dont get anything for nearly beating somebody in any sport ive ever watched.

This defence of a ref who clearly isn't up to the job has run its course for me. It's the excuse made for Alibert in most of the games he refs. He is just not good enough and it spoils the spectacle.

I think he either panics when faced with seasoned pros on both sides from top teams and loses control or he just can't keep up with game. It's probably both come to think of it. He missed an absolutely blatant knock on right in the middle of the field tonight form a player on his own i.e. it wasn't a difficult one to spot.

As to forward passes Leeds are better suited to American football at times

and have been for several seasons.

Dave

Saints were past masters at snatching victories from the jaws of defeat. I am sure that gave them the self belief not to throw the towel in.

What did the sides they beat in these circumstances gain from those games? Not a lot I'd guess.

You are Brian Noble, and I claim my £5. That's the sort of cack-handed philosophical nonsense he used to trot out to justify every near-miss we had.

We've been pretty poor against Leeds twice this season, and not been beaten in either game - yet Leeds have the advantage? OK....

How does that work? Leeds produce their best performance for months, whereas Wigan produce their worst performance probably since drawing at Cas, yet Wigan win the game. I don't think leeds can play much better than they did tonight, but we saw against Hudds last week how much better Wigan can be. How does this help Leeds pschologically? Straw-clutching is the term that springs to mind

I'm not Brian Noble.

I'm not clutching at straws either.

Let's be honest; you're actually not doing much, other than trolling...and you're not even doing THAT very well.

Incorrect play the ball - were there any correct ones all game? OK I know it's "attempt" to play with the foot, but that's not the same as pretend to play it with your foot.

Forward pass - yes they happen. Anyone ever see Webb manage to pass the ball backwards? I'm wondering where Stevo's momentum rule went, it seems to still exist for Saints and Leeds. Not so much for Wigan.

Kindly supplied by Ryan Bailey

Is that the one you used at Crusaders ?

This. How he missed Carmont's forward pass for Richards try and other things like Charnley's knock on then one straight away by Tomkins I will never know. There were other bad decisions that went in Leeds favour which were equally baffling. This season the standard of referee is as bad as I have seen and being equally bad for both sides seems to be as good as it gets.

so the ref and linesmen are deluded?........as they say........read the papers.....it says Pat scored.........end of.
its history now

You would think Wigan were the first team to ever score off a forward pass. EVERY CLUB IN RUGBY LEAGUE HAS AT ONE POINT -GET OVER IT.

Turn the clock back 5 years and Leeds and Saints dominated, if any lower team were to play them Hemmings would be creaming himself if Leeds or Saints were winning calling them champions with the attitude 'can Leeds/Saints hold on for the win...yes they can, that' why they're champions' sort of atitude to commentary.

Now Wigan are champions his attitude is 'can 'insert team' knock Wigan off their throne? have Wigan peaked too early?

At last nights game I'm sure he had his kecks round his ankles watching Leeds nearly beat us.

One thing from last night stands out where McGuire clearly jumps infront of Pat blocking him from catching the kick and scoring and Eddies reaction is : Oooo, McGuire as jumped too early and in the completely wrong area where the ball was going' - No Eddie, he was clearly cheating as per usual.

ridiculous post:
sky have done enough hand jiving over wigan the last few months,even when just doing the basic skills needed in a RL game,you'd think wigan were the only team who could pass,tackle,kick etc. . . saying that they still do have a fondness for all things leeds.

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Got that spot on. Finch ripped the ball towards the Leeds line thus making it a knock on.