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I have to agree with that myself.

Mathers head is not right at the moment and Coley is very, very average.

I'll bet good money that Noble won't drop Coley. He simply does not drop his senior players regardless of performance. Mathers is like Vaealiki all over again, you keep waiting and waiting for him to turn the corner for an 'Ah! That's why they signed him!' moment. It's NEVER going to come, he's terrified of anything that comes near him - ball, attackers, defenders the lot. He should be about 24th in the pecking order for a first team spot.

FB 2 Amos Roberts
RW 5 Pat richards
RC 3 Darrell Goulding
LC 4 George Carmont
LW 21 Cameron Phelps
SO 6 Tim Smith
SH 7 Thomas Leuluai
P 8 Stuart Fielden
H 9 Mark Riddell
P 23 Eamon O'Carroll
SR 12 Phil Bailey
SR 16 Harrison Hansen
LF 13 Sean O'Loughlin

S 10 Iafeta Paleaaesina
S 11 Gareth Hock
S 14 Joel Tomkins
S 17 Mike McIllorum

Dropping Mathers is obvious, it's not so much because he was so bad today but because he's been so bad since he got here. I'd take the radical step of using Hock as a prop so that we're a bit more mobile in attack, I'm sure he can handle himself, might do his temprament some good as well to mix it with the props. I think we need someone to replace Riddell without using Lockers at stand off but we can't throw Sam Tomkins into a team playing this badly against Hull who will probably beat us, so I'd throw Mike McIllorum in there. He's played quite a few SL games, will relish the opportunity and he's a tough little sod. Drop Coley too, he's not doing anything O'Carroll and Prescott don't do as well or better.

His last game v St Helens, Vaealiki's break was amazing!!! Shame we waited so long for it

You can't base anything on someone beating Wellens in a foot race

Without knowing if there are players who are being disruptive (as claimed elsewhere).


Roberts
Phelps
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Smith
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
Prescott
Hansen
O'Loughlin
Tomkins

Hock
Feka
Tomkins (S)
O'Carroll



The key Hooker/halfback interchange then takes care of itself. Hock and Feka, impact players off the bench.

Our best defensive pack from the start.

Indeed. One of three players who MUST go at the end of the season.

Let Noble pick the team thats what he gets paid for,and you lot should be happy to be paying him.

Mathers - Very nervous when the ball was kicked towards him and let the ball run out into touch rather than attempting to take it and run, making it harder for our side to break through the Wakefield defense and find any decent field position and seemed to be out of position in attack and loitered about too much.

Richards - Solid game but didn't see much of the ball.

Carmont - No real complaints other than his miscommunication with Richards when he went over the touch line when we had a decent amount of tackles left and good field position.

Phelps - Defensively he seemed to be caught out on quite a few occasions and left open holes for Wakefield to utilise.

Roberts - Was awful and very, very slow as well as out of position for a lot of Wakefield's attack which led to their tries, showed promise under the high bomb however.

Smith - Made a couple of decent openings for the side and kicked a 40/20 to give us field position but let himself down with numerous kicks down the right hand side which was covered effectively by Wakefield which made his gameplan predictable, showed promise though.

Leuluai - By far our most explosive player with ball in hand and moved very well to find himself gaps which gave him more breaks than any one else (I think!), not the best kicking game however.

Fielden - Poor, especially after the back end of last season he looked like the Fielden of old he struggled to power forward today and make life easier for the rest of the side.

Riddell - I thought he was very anonymous for his first game and although he made one decent kick in the game didn't take a stranglehold on it like I thought he might...early days however.

Paleaasina - Not as effective as he can be sometimes and I think that may be down to good defence from Wakefield and poor distribution from Wigan with the ball offered to Feka when he was in a static position.

Bailey - At fault for one of the breaks of Wakefield because he turns like a canal boat but good defence.

Hock - Apart from the blistering run at the end of the game he was poor today with a few handling errors.

O'Loughlin - Laughable in attack. Couldn't control the ball and lost it on numerous occasions but showed his usual form in defence.

O'Carroll - Our best prop today, made no errors AFAIK and made good yards.

Coley - Rubbish, gave away the ball and a penalty in a two minute spell and lost the ball on numerous occassions with very little go forward was our worst performer IMO.

J. Tomkins - Looked very lively and almost broke through a few times, got the try because his positional play is top notch, between him and Leuluai for MOTM in our team.

Hansen - Boosted our defence as usual but offered little else.

Next Week's team:

Roberts

Richards
Goulding
Carmont
Pryce/Ainscough

Smith
Leuluai

Fielden
Riddell
O'Carroll

Bailey
O'Loughlin

J.Tomkins

Paleaasina
Hock
Prescott/Coley
S.Tomkins/McIlorum.

pat richards
amos roberts
phil baily
george carmont
karl pryce
timmy smith
tommy leuluai
stu fielden
mark riddell
emon o carroll
joel tomkins
harrison hanson
sean o loughlin


gaz hock
feaka
paul prescott
sam tomkins


mathers
coley
goulding
phelps
these players need time in reserves not good enough

Andy Coley.



We told you so ...

We should have listened.

How long did you sign him up for?

Noble should have watched more of him during the 2007 season and realised how poor he really was, we werent bitterly dissapointed with his performances for no reason.

Coley had his best seasons under Karl Harrison when used as a wide running second rower, but he thought he knew best and wanted to mix it in the middle with the big boys. Unfortunatly he hasnt got the "know how" to play as a modern day prop forward assuming he still has bad ball security, lazely jogs upto the line and more often than not "crabs" along the line rather than hitting it with speed and momentum.

Pryce is clearly not ready and will not be for a good while yet.

What has Goulding wrong for you to asy this regarding the 09 season?

1 Roberts
2 Ainscough
3 Goulding
4 Carmont
5 Richards
6 Smith
7 Tommy
8 Fielden
9 Riddell
10 O'Carroll
11 Hansen
12 Locky
13 J. Tomkins

Sub Feka
Sub Prescott
Sub Hock
Sub S. Tomkins

We need a half-back/hooker on the bench, no need for 5 backrows in the squad. We should be using our abundence of backrows to create some competition for places, not having them all in the matchday squad.

Smith needs to be given more time at 6, he was used as a bit-part played towards the end of last seaon. IMO needs a decent run of games before being judged.

The foreign players we have in the team must be a significant improvment on the promisinging youngsters we've got. Players like Phelps & Baileys are only holding back the likes of Goulding, Ainscough, Mossopp.

Although the only change I expect to see against Hull depends on if Mathers gets suspended.

Richards
Roberts
Goulding
Carmont
Phelps
Smith
Tommy
Fielden
Riddell
O'Carroll
Hansen
J Tomkins
O'Loughlin

Bailey/Coley
Feka
Hock
S Tomkins

Richards
Roberts
Goudling
Carmont
Ainscough
Leuluai
Smith
Fielden
Riddell
Prescott
Hansen
J Tomins
O'Loughlin

subs
Paleaaesina
O'Carroll
Hock
S Tomkins

is the side i'd love to see and a side that would shake a few people up.

Not a chance of it happening though.

Thats a great team and why an experienced coach cant see that too is such a mystery.

That has all the right attributes that the team needs to be balanced.

Plenty of Speed in the backs from Richards, Roberts, Ainscough, S Tomkins and Leuluai
and
Plenty of Power and consistency in the forwards from Feka (off bench), Fielden, Prescott, OCarroll and Tomkins

It's a team with pace in the backs, power in the forwards, impact from the bench and flair from both youth and experience. It's a team that the fans would back even on bad days at the office because it's a team that will grow but sadly it's a team Noble will NOT pick in a million years



I'd be so excited at the prospect of going watching that group of players in action but it will never happen.

Noble has said in tonights evening post that we need to cut out the fancy stuff and get back to basics

how much more basic can we get

no change except Mathers out Mcillorom & Prescott to drop out Goulding to start with Roberts or Richards to Full-Back still no S. Tomkins dissapointing imo. i'd go for:
5 Richards
2 Roberts
3 Goulding
4 Carmont
21 Phelps
6 Smith
7 Leuluai
8 Fielden
9 Riddell
10 Feka
16 Hansen
13 Lockers
14 J. Tomkins
Subs:
17 Mcillorom he should be in
23 O'Carroll
19 Prescott (again he should be in there instead of Coley)
12 Bailey
that's my 17 what bout you lot.
btw Bentham is the ref.

i think id have hock in there somewhere

yeah my mistake missed him woops

Bailey out, Hock in.

i was meant to add him to the bench instead of Bailey