Its up to the 6 and 7 to get runners and if they dont give them a rocket, same with the captain, Lockers should be louder and more authoitive. The captain should be balling and shouting to get his team doing what they want, how many times did we look clueless last night with no runners and noone wanted it? Props taking a drive up the middle on the 4th tackle WTF?

Sign Lockyer and give him the captains armband!

If they don't practice with runners and set moves in training how the hell can you expect them to improvise it in a game

I think if we would have had more runners in 07 and 08 we would of seen an even better Trent Barrett as he had to rely on his running game more which teams had sussed out by 08

We have too many average players in our team.

Get rid of Coley, Mathers, Bailey, Phelps and maybe even Smith and get in some top quality talent at 6 and play the youngsters and get a world class prop in.

Ive been thinking that since the Wakey game. Top class 6 and a world class prop and getting rid of the below average players you have stated.
Ainscough showed last night how poor the likes of phelps are.

Roberts
Ainscough
Carmont
Pryce
Richards
World class 6
Tomkins
World class prop
McIlorum
Fielden
Lockers
Hanson
Tomkins

Hock
Feka
Leuluai
Prescott

We could have a team like that and we would not be wasting money on too many overseas players.

8 players from the academy and also 2 English players.

and maybe 5-6 overseas depending on who the replacements were.

Catalans join the Bird hunt 2 birds in the bush . 1 in the hand www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html A NEW twist has emerged in the Greg Bird saga, with French rugby league powerhouse Catalans the latest club interested in picking up the pieces of his career. The Sunday Telegraph can reveal that Bird's management has been in discussions with the Super League club, in a bid to gain a backdoor entry to the competition. The move is intended for Bird to bypass visa restrictions that have blocked him from entering the UK and taking up a three-year deal with English Super League club Bradford. Catalans officials have confirmed their interest in Bird after manager Chris Orr contacted the Perpignan-based club last Friday back door open for wigan

Catalans join the Bird hunt 2 birds in the bush . 1 in the hand www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html A NEW twist has emerged in the Greg Bird saga, with French rugby league powerhouse Catalans the latest club interested in picking up the pieces of his career. The Sunday Telegraph can reveal that Bird's management has been in discussions with the Super League club, in a bid to gain a backdoor entry to the competition. The move is intended for Bird to bypass visa restrictions that have blocked him from entering the UK and taking up a three-year deal with English Super League club Bradford. Catalans officials have confirmed their interest in Bird after manager Chris Orr contacted the Perpignan-based club last Friday back door open for wigan

A NEW twist has emerged in the Greg Bird saga, with French rugby league powerhouse Catalans the latest club interested in picking up the pieces of his career. The Sunday Telegraph can reveal that Bird's management has been in discussions with the Super League club, in a bid to gain a backdoor entry to the competition. The move is intended for Bird to bypass visa restrictions that have blocked him from entering the UK and taking up a three-year deal with English Super League club Bradford. Catalans officials have confirmed their interest in Bird after manager Chris Orr contacted the Perpignan-based club last Friday www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html

A NEW twist has emerged in the Greg Bird saga, with French rugby league powerhouse Catalans the latest club interested in picking up the pieces of his career. The Sunday Telegraph can reveal that Bird's management has been in discussions with the Super League club, in a bid to gain a backdoor entry to the competition. The move is intended for Bird to bypass visa restrictions that have blocked him from entering the UK and taking up a three-year deal with English Super League club Bradford. Catalans officials have confirmed their interest in Bird after manager Chris Orr contacted the Perpignan-based club last Friday www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... 66,00.html

Maybe I'm being blind here but I'm not seeing the Wigan connection?

in your signing thread . you lot looking for a no.6

so....the fact that bird isnt allowed to live in our country and may be going to france is relevant because....?

you do know that Bradford and Wigan are both in the same country?

bradford chav county

Frig me - Classic...!!!!

think we need to thik more about building a team than star names

this side needs a couple of house enforcer types in the pack first and foremost. we also need some leadership and a couple of iron will characters (dean bell stuff)

would much rather construct a side than blow £s on lockyer.

Fielden was put on his back all night by a set of 4 props that their combined total wages is probably less than Fieldens. Thats a big problem but this goes not just for Fielden but i believe Bailey is on an incredible wage. More time is needed to adjust the squad but IMO a few of the current overseas spots are a waste.

Phelps is no better than Goulding or Ainscough for 1 but plays before both.

Bailey is no better than Hansen and Tomkins but having so many good backrowers unbalances the 17.

Forget Lockyer, we need props and centres before we start talking about blowing a massive chunk of the cap on 1 player - again!

barret played today

what has happened to fielden, he is no more than an average prop now. i can't believe how many time we had him dumped on his ass friday. if it wasn't for fekka we'd of beaten you by 30 points easy!!!

Who do you suggest we could get who is a world class 6 and world class prop?

Would be right behind us going for Myler next season..we need to start having a settled 6/7

prop theres a few world class props coming off contract..luke bailey for one

Luke Bailey fits the criteria very well, would give us experience, leadership and would make them hard yards

Is Myler off contract?

Doubt Salford will want to let him go

Would be a great addition although I don't like the idea of having a very inexperienced pairing in the halves eventhough they would be amazing a year or 2 down the line

I doubt he would want to stay at Salford. Got in a Enlgand squad last year and probably would want to further his career.

And would the money gained from Bailey, Smith, Phelps and Coley. Cover the cost of a World class prop and a World class Stand off

Well if it doesn't I don't see where all the money is. IL claims we're restricted due to the salary cap well by 2010 the entire squad will be Brian Noble's and by 2011 they will be his - where is the money going? Who is the stand out big earner in that squad apart from Stuart Fielden?

Cameron Phelps should leave at the end of the season - he's not good enough to warrant a quota spot. Sean Ainscough proved that last night.

Andy Coley has not been good enough and in truth was a stupid signing to make in the first place. Average at best.

Tim Smith is just a complete liability in defense and is too hit and miss in attack. I doubt any NRL club would want him though.

Phil Bailey has just not been good enough. He's the perfect example of an average Australian stealing a living at Wigan. He's just Mr Average. Solid in defense and others nothing in attack and has a poor go forward. Why did we sign him? We're blessed with second row forwards we don't need to be wasting a quota spot.

Also I'll add to that list Richie Mathers. I don't think I need to justify the reasons why he should go. Why we extended his contract in the first place I'll never know.

So IMO recruitment for 2010 we should be looking at bringing in experienced players to help create that right balance of youth and experience & bring in some clever rugby league players.

We need an experienced prop forward who will run his blood to water week in week out. Andy Lynch at Bradford would fit the bill if we didn't want to use a quota spot. Luke Bailey being another.

We need a stand off that can direct the team and share the responsibility with Thomas Leuluai. Matt Orford IMO fits this description. He's an experienced leader who would be ideal.

We don't need a fullback IMO because I'd move Pat to fullback with Roberts and Ainscough on the other wings with Pryce at cover. Goulding and Carmont in the centres. Although if we were going to go for a fullback I'd go for either Anthony Minichello or Karmichael Hunt.

Matt Orford could turn out to be another Phil Bailey. He is nearly 31, would want a rather large salary, could just be looking for a holiday, although if he did come to play rugby instead of a holiday he would be a great addition and it would be great for him to partner and mentor Sam Tomkins in the halves

I think Tommy should be used at hooker permanently next season. I think he plays his best stuff in that position. This would also mean Sam Tomkins can move into the side.

If we could get a quality, experienced half back to partner Sam and move Tommy to hooker with either Riddell or McIlorum and we could be on to a winner

As for a full back this would probably keep 2 of Ainy, Pryce and Goulding out the side which unless we could get rid of one (definitely not Ainscough and I doubt Pryce would go if he gets his fitness up) I wouldn't want it to happen

All the players mentioned are overseas though, lets play Tomkins and some of our other young players and then maybe get one overseas player with experience.