Common knowledge for two months that he was not permitted to play in any game against Wigan www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 869&type=1

Common knowledge for two months that he was not permitted to play in any game against Wigan www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 869&type=1

Why is a big deal being made of all this? For a start, as Glynola stated, its old news they knew when they took him on loan he couldn't play against Wigan. Even if this wasn't the case he wouldn't be playing at the weekend anyway as he's banned.

I really can't see what all the fuss is about. Shaun Lunt wasn't allowed to play against Huddersfield last year.

Non story.

An absolute storm in a teacup.

If Betts was really concerned by this he'd have made a fuss at the time and perhaps, to really show how upset he was, he might have threatened to scupper the deal unless Wigan changed their demands.

But no, he didn't. He's whimpered about it this week instead, and idiots like the disapproving editorialist quoted at the start of this thread have tried to seize their five minutes of fame as a result.

Wigan are perfectly entitled to look after their own interests, and they are even more entitled to lay any conditions down they choose with regard to Gareth Hock. He is still registered to Wigan - not Widnes, and he owes us big time.

Must be a quiet week for the journos if they have to resurrect this old story.
Lazy journos is my opinion!

Even though it might cost us financially...

It would be quite amusing if IL revoked the deal and sent Hock to Salford.

Betts getting his excuses for losing in early

Good point. We hear a lot about the excellent working relationship between Wigan and Widnes.

I don't believe that IL is the sort of bloke to let temper tantrums by Denis Betts derail any current relationship, but when a senior member of staff at Widnes - which is what Betts is - makes an effort to hold Wigan to public ridicule, it must make him pause for thought.

could even cancel the loan and let Hock sweep the terraces at Edge Hall for the next 2 years.............

I've heard it's a bit of the former, but mainly down to £££s

Whilst this is a complete non-story (given it was explicitly stated he wouldn't play against Wigan at the time) it is a real shame he won't be playing - would be real box office.

Betts knew the terms of the loan. Poor show to complain about it now. And I've lost a little respect for him.

Same here. Well said.

I'm a Wigan fan who would prefer that the Hock business could have been sorted out, and that he was playing for Wigan.

OK he is a dumbell.

But he is also the best attacking forward in the World at the moment.

There are rumours that the main issue is Hock does not get on with Sean Wane.

Again, my impression is that Wane is no intellectual at all, like Hock.

I would like Hock to play against Wigan for many reasons on Saturday.

But I would rather he didn't, as he could rip us to pieces.

Hock is a thorough low intelligence idiot, but we have had players like him since the year dot.

We have controlled them before !

Couldn't this have all been sorted out ?


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DB is just clutching at straws for me. He knows even with our numerous injuries, and their slight improvement in form from last season (IMO) he still must know the odds are with us, so I can understand his strategy of trying to provoke IL/SW into letting him play. We don’t need the agro, best not to risk possible suspensions as a result of his ire, and I dare say DB might wish he hadn’t bothered if any punch-up ended with another spell out for their new favourite too. As for me, Mr Hock has made his own bed, now he should take Saturday off and, lie in it!

I wonder if someone has had a word in Dennis's shell like? www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ntribution? Rather large suck back here

I wonder if someone has had a word in Dennis's shell like? www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ntribution? Rather large suck back here

Epic fail from betts.

"Iv made a complete @rse of myself, so now il kiss wigans and paper over the cracks"

Calm down dears, it's only a bit of banter.

Wouldn't surprise me if Wane & Betts are both in on it. Not worth getting in a tizzy over.

Shame Hock isn't playing though. Be great to see what goes on!

Not really:

1) Hock has a grudge against one of the young lads (why?) and has a pop, gets sent off.
2) Hock goes out to prove how great he is, gets sent off.
3) Hock is frustrated that Wigan are winning, gets sent off shouting at the ref.
4) Hock, wound up by his ex-team mates gets sent off.
5) Hock injures Farrell and is recalled to Wigan, spring is sprung and the messiah returns in time to score the winning try on Good Friday.

Quote ="tugglesf78"I wonder if someone has had a word in Dennis's shell like? www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ntribution? '" Or alternatively, has bollocked the utter crap out of him in a way that he'll never forget for as long as he lives.

Quote ="tugglesf78"I wonder if someone has had a word in Dennis's shell like? www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ntribution? '" Or alternatively, has bollocked the utter crap out of him in a way that he'll never forget for as long as he lives.

This was my thinking

I think our esteemed owner may have contacted Steve O'Connor for a natter.....

You'd have him back yesterday! From devil incarnate to messiah in one thread!

Quote ="Redchemic"Calm down dears, it's only a bit of banter. Wouldn't surprise me if Wane & Betts are both in on it.'" It would have seemed not! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21847269 Quote "The challenge was laid down in the week and they took it on board. Some things were said [Denis Betts regarding Gareth Hock's unavailability under the terms of his loan deal which made it easy for me. It helped our preparation. "=#800000I don't think you could say anyone in my team is scared of anybody. Those childish comments hurt my players. They were really focused going into the game. "What they did today was how they practised all week. We were ruthless in how we attacked. It was a great win but I'm not going to get carried away. It one of those games where a lot went our way."'"

Quote ="Redchemic"Calm down dears, it's only a bit of banter. Wouldn't surprise me if Wane & Betts are both in on it.'" It would have seemed not! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21847269 Quote "The challenge was laid down in the week and they took it on board. Some things were said [Denis Betts regarding Gareth Hock's unavailability under the terms of his loan deal which made it easy for me. It helped our preparation. "=#800000I don't think you could say anyone in my team is scared of anybody. Those childish comments hurt my players. They were really focused going into the game. "What they did today was how they practised all week. We were ruthless in how we attacked. It was a great win but I'm not going to get carried away. It one of those games where a lot went our way."'"

Nice tattoo that on Carnley's arm!

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