A Challenge Cup final and a Grand Final Spot.

I really wish you would deal with the issues rather than try to pick fault in arguments.

because again how long was he in England, like any other Aussie coach he would use Wigan/England as a stepping stone to get to...cowboys etc...look longer term than 2-3 years, now that is it I'm going to bed, good night. hope we've not fallen out, can't beat a good healthy deabte but....I'm right x

Does it matter how long a coach is at a club as long as they bring success, or are you happy with having a coach who will stay at the club but exceed in mediocrity?

So he's not blameless then? That is a start!



Considering it was for work, yes I did thanks. Need to go on the wagon for a week or two. Bloody freezing though. -10c and -14c not uncommon and we had a 12 inch snowfall due to what the locals call "the lake effect" whatever that is.

Dave

I wasn't. I just couldn't remember them winning anything. Monie did him at OT! Relax a little pal.

Murray improved Leeds no question, but seemed to go backwards the longer he was at the Cowboys.

True but I also mean the players, they are 100 times better players than I am and can make decisions much quicker than I (I assume anyway) but many times this evening Wigan held the line instead of rushing up and cutting down the attacking options, OK thery may have been told to defend this way but as a player if what you're doing isn't working surely you take it upon yourselves to rectify this and change your tactics (with or without the coaches consent). I've been involved in games where the tactics employed by our coach were wrong, our captain has stood up and told us to change and things have improved, the coach was man enough to admit he was wrong and praised us as a group for sorting things out between ourselves. Everyone gets things wrong but its how you react to your failings and also admitting them that determines how good a coach you are, this in my opinion is where Noble fails, i get the feeling its my way or the highway with him but your senior players need to stand up and open their mouths in a way which does not undermine the coach, could Noble take it on the chin that he's got something wrong? do the players have the balls to question him?

Given the stick you and others have dished out to my opinions i would suggest in hindsite it is you that needs to chill out.

Its a reality check big time. Everything was wrong tonight from BN and everything was right from BM.

The players did a few times last year especially TB but they did not get the support.

Second bit in bold seems nailed on, Tomkins would never have got a chance without external issues.

Good at giving advice but useless at recieving it..

So I take it this is one of the main reasons he left the club?

Diversify on the second point if you will, via pm if you don't feel comfortable posting your opinion on the matter on the public forum.

Read back. I think you are blasting me because your best friends aren't online.

BM had Leeds firing tonight, but 2 50/50 decisions go our way and we are within a score.

Leeds deserved to win, but in one thing he said, Noble was right - We didnt get a call tonight.

Sorry but it was only 1 50/50 mdecision, the try from the kick was clearly offside.

No, but the main performance issues tonight, I honestly don't see how he can take the blame for (namely the handling errors).



Still sound better than what I get, the furthest I get from home is Basildon or Leicester Sq for a couple of nights!!!

Get a grip man....Wigan were $hit until the last 30 mins when the game was lost and Leeds took their foot off..

I never said we should have won or deserved to. But, Ainscough was borderline for mine, but when do we get a BOD try, and the obstruction never was, the Leeds man conned the officials.

They happen and its a one score game.

How many straws do you wish to clutch at..

Im clutching to nothing. Its a viewpoint, and something, that on another day goes our way.

Scraping the Barrell now mate, years of Shite and Sheep like yourself spout the same old crap..Its no wonder our club has moved Backwards rather than Forward..

Last week Noble was to credit for the passes sticking tonight the players are to blame for dropping them?

Not by me. A coach can't affect the catching/dropping once they are on the field.

I refuse to believe the catching drills have increased/decreased since last week.

Read the article by Tim Sheens on Gaz Ellis.

A coach coaches, English SL coaches think once a player is a first team squad player they have the skills and ignore the drills.

A SL coach generally works on a game plan, and lives or dies by it. Ours is crap.

I did, it was a good read, and tbh you can see where it is coming from.

So how does a coach not affect the skill level of the players? How does a coach not play a game plan that aides the team rather than hinders it.

Three things happened tonight-

1-We were out classed-Burrow was a different class to anything in our halfs with the 40/20 and the control he had of the game.

2-We were out played or lost the individual battles-The match up's of say Hock vs Lauitiiti both big running, offloading 2nd rows, or front row vs front row. Roberts was out jumped and Imo out played by the young Leeds winger. We lost all the individual battles and in the end the whole thing.

3-We were out coached-Leeds had a game plan of getting up in our faces in defence especially early on vs Hock. You could see they had been told to get in put three in to tackle him and drive him back. Leeds executed this game plan excellently it must be said. They were offloading in the tackle and supporting the ball carrier which is what we did last week- they must work on this in training with drills surely? They also had a bench that could make an impact were we didn’t as we started our impact players???????

The first point was a major factor in why we didn’t win. Their star players had a big game when it was needed and our Star player Hock was snuffed out. We need Dobson back big time as he’s the sort of player who gets you 40/20’s, controls the game and makes the right decisions. It’s not something Tommy can do sadly.

The 2nd point is partly Nobles AND the players fault. Hock and Feka imo shouldn’t have started tonight against the best defence in the league. They can’t the make the impact they need to right from the start of the game when the opposition defenders are fresh. Also if the other team gets a high percentage of the ball someone like Feka is already knackered through all the defence we did. By the time he was ready to barge it up he was knacked and we brought Coley and Hansen on giving us zero attacking edge. It should have been the opposite way round get players like Coley knackerd and then bring Feka on.

The 3rd point is where Noble is seriously failing us. Why do we employ a defensive structure that invites players like Ali, Burrow, Mcguire or Peacock to run at us? We should have been up in their faces like Leeds did to us doing a number on Ali or Kylie Leuleui. Our bench again was wrong Burrow was given far to much time and it only really changed when Hansen was on and he started to rush up into his face on the last tackle. I think one of the underpinning issues is we aren’t fit enough to play a high tempo defensive game for 80mins. Seriously can you see Feka, Riddell, Hock & Bailey employing a ‘blitz’ defence for 80 mins?

Can the pro Noble people please tell me we weren’t out coached tonight with the team selection and defensive pattern?

It wasn’t all Nobles fault btw but this is a thread about him and I’ll pass comment on the players on another thread about them.

Against a team like Bradford who play a flat ball game it works, against any team that runs a deep backline like all but 2 have against us this year (both coached by Bradford scholared coaches, coincidence?) we are inviting teams to score points.