In the same way a change of coach in 2006 when Noble came didn't change the team with the addition of 2 players?



Sounds like you would want him to fail to prove a point? Are you going to be saying if Kearney does take the job (or whoever takes it for that matter), if we sign any new players and the team plays better it will all be down to the new signings and Noble would have done the same if he had been given the new players? Maybe he would but its even been suggested Millward would have done better had the club backed what he wanted to do. The thing is though Millward got the boot because he failed to make the best of what players he did have and if Noble has gone then the same will true for him.

Dave

Right. I'm not keen on Smith, though.

I'll still answer the question all the same if you don't mind.

No one involved i.e. Kearney and his agent has said they were offered the job - I'm sure you'll be able to show me where they do.

So basically what you are saying is he could only say he was not interested in the job if he was actually offered the job itself rather than being sounded out about it?

You really need to go back and have a look at what I've written throughout before digging again.

Yes exactly the same. You speak as though i am saying this to defend Noble. I am not,i am just sick of every coach Wigan have failing and us ending up either sacking them or things turning sour as they seem to of with Noble. Its time this club learned that sacking coaches or swapping halfway through a transition does not work.




Why would i want him to fail? I am pointing out that i think he will fail unless he gets the right players.

Transition to what btw?

If Noble would have stayed at Wigan one more season he’d be running Milward very, very close as one of our worst ever coaches.

Never have I seen such and inconsistent team in my life.

Is anyone else now doubting this rumour because it's not been announced yet?

Surely if Noble has gone then it would have been confirmed by now? According to the rumour we are talking about 24 hours after it happened.

I am sure you can show me where they or any body else deny he was offered it?



I am not sure you have written anything with respect to any evidence to back up your position he was not actually offered the job. You seem to base your argument on arguing the opposite view is wrong as opposed to pointiung to some evidence yours is right. It is just your opinion that your position is the correct one whereas I can point to this:

"World Cup-winning Kiwis coach Stephen Kearney has turned down a potentially lucrative deal to take over the reins at English Super League powerhouse Wigan."

[iSo he turned down what exactly? You can't turn down an expression of interest can you![/i

The New Zealand Rugby League, anxious to avoid a repeat of the messy Brian McClennan affair of two years ago when the then Kiwis coach quit to join Leeds, welcomed the news last night.

"It's great news and it's also not really a surprise either given the way Stephen has conducted himself as the Kiwi coach so far," said NZRL spokesman Peter Cordtz."

[iSo what was a not really suprise then? He obvioiusly means it wasn't really a surprise he turned an offer down [/i

"It's also consistent with what he has said to us about the Kiwi coaching role."

But the NZRL's elation could be short-lived with Kearney likely to be linked to the Roosters, if their coach, Brad Fittler, is forced to resign after Australian league's latest alcohol-fuelled controversy (see page 102).

Wigan's strong interest in Kearney underlines how difficult it is becoming for the NZRL to prevent English clubs wresting away its head coach.

The cherry-and-whites were lining Kearney up to replace current coach Brian Noble from the 2010 season.

[iHow does Wigan "lining Kearney up to replace current coach Brian Noble" equate to merely sounding him out?[/i

Kearney, also an assistant coach with the Melbourne Storm NRL club, went so far as to tell NZRL officials about the "expression of interest".

But yesterday his agent, Chris Orr, revealed the Kiwis coach had decided not to enter into contract negotiations with Wigan for fear it would cost him his role with the New Zealand national side.

[iThat is Wigan wanted to enter into negotiations about the job and he didn't[/i

"Wigan chairman Ian Lenagan came out to Australia and he was obviously looking at a few different candidates and one of them was Stephen," Orr said.

"We had a discussion but nothing further than that, really, because Stephen decided that due to his commitments as New Zealand coach and the success he's had with the team, the time wasn't right to leave that job.

"He basically thinks he's started something pretty special with the current group of Kiwis and he'd like to see that through to the finish. He's very happy with things as they are at the moment with the Kiwis.

"We didn't get to the negotiation process because Stephen went through his pros and cons and decided the time wasn't right.

[iright to leave and take up a new post, obvioisly[/i

"I know Stephen was absolutely honoured that he was even considered by Wigan as a candidate."

[iIt's blindingly obvious from the above Wigan offered him the job abd he decided against it.[/i

Dave

So if this rumour is true

When can we expect any announcment ?

As this thread is another long 'un, can someone shorten down the basics for me in one post.

Thanks

Yeah I'm getting sick of waiting the champagnes on ice but its not gonna stay cold forever.

Noble was sacked last night.

Supposidely a top team according to IL when he took over.



I am not suprised looking at the squad. Ive never seen a more unbalanced squad in my life. Every team in SL has at least one decent halfback we have none! We dont even have somebody in the team who is half decent at kicking on the 5th tackle!

Typical Rlfans discussing if something has happened before it has been anounced. That Gaz Hock thread would of been 200 pages long had the mods not locked the first one as people would of discussed it for 100 pages before it had been anounced.

The next appointment of a coach and recruitment for 2010 is vital. I am not blown away by it but it does seem like we have signed Griffin, probably as a direct replacement for Coley, if this is confirmed i hope he is only 1 of 2 Prop signings for 2010.

The coach is vital though, as is the choice of assistant. I think the assistant must be a ying to the head coaches yang, ie i would like a coach who will bump msome heads and his assistant hopefully an ex Wiganer who will have a great professional relationship with the players.

It seems to me we have gone from one of the most Pro teams in the country to a pretty much set of amateurs in a very short spell of time, in my opinion a single minded hard nosed head coach is the only way to go.

The next coach has to come in and have instant success to win over tha fans IMO otherwise we could take a few more steps backwards.

unlikely - cos the ice will melt.......

It depends how you rate success. In my opinion the main thing the coach has to do is put enthusiasm and pride back in the performances, anything on top of that will take time and coaching but if we do get consistant enthusiasm and pride back in the shirt the performances will improve. This starts on the training ground and although i guess we will never know, i personally think the quality and creativity on the training ground has been poor and allowed to stagnate, leaving us with the dross we see at the moment.

I agree but I am prettty sure speaking to some fans that they will only now be turned around with results not just effort. I would settle for performances like the Hull KR one even if we lost. You cannot ask for more than that.

Announcement at 2.30pm tomorrow.

Oh so sacked today announced tomorrow

No.....he was sacked yesterday apparently.

I'm unconvinced.

Now seems a strange time to sack Noble given what's happened this week.

Plus why now? Why not last Monday after we were beaten by Celtic, giving the new coach more time with the squad?

Only reason for sacking Noble now I suppose is to give the new coach adequate time to turn performances around for the Cup semi, and to try and get into some form for the play offs.

Maybe it's time for Lenegan to weild the big stick ?

It was time long before now.

You want me to prove something didn't happen. Easy, nobody has said he was.



So when I asked you to show me where Kearney or his agent say he was actually offered the job - you should have just said you can't because no qutoes exists. It would have saved a lot of time and effort. Taking reports that spin it in such a way like yourself and putting quotes around them isn't the same thing.

As usual when you've wound yourself up over something to do with Lenagan, Noble or whoever isn't flavour of the month and can do no right in your eyes, you've completely missed the point. At no point have I said that Kearney might not have been offered the job, simply that the information we have might mean he's being sounded out - indeed even his agent says Kearney was one of a number of candidates Lenagan was speaking to. They can't all have been offered the job unless we're going to do a 1985 with Clarke and McInnes again, which we all know isn't going to happen.

Lenagan saying he wanted Noble in 2010 depending on results doesn't mean he can't talk to other potential coaches just incase. Likewise he may well have offered the job to Kearney, but nobody close to it has said he specifically was.

You on the other hand can't accept there may be different scenarios because you just want to stick the boot into Lenagan - again.