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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"But we don't know what other coaches say. I mean, when you compare the demeanur of someone like smith with that of wane, do you really think smith tells his players that kind of rubbish? There was a no holds barred behind the scenes doc on GB in 2005 and 2006 with Noble as coach and he never said anything of the sort and he won a fair amount in his career.'"
Both Smith and Noble are far more media savvy than Wane and Smith also of a different disposition. What about Cullen for example for Wire? Same opinion? Are you really also telling me that you think Noble won't have said something similar in his career behind closed doors? He's a self confessed lover of the Biff! Most clubs will have had coaches that used similarly emotive language. If you know anything about rugby you'll know that to be true. It doesn't mean they're looking for players to go out and make the sort of attack we saw on Saturday. |
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"Oh come off it. You really are suggesting that behaviour from Flower has something to do with Wane's coaching? You're usually a great poster who talks a lot of sense. Flower would have faced a sin binning if he left it at the first punch IMO, but that second punch was out of order and fully deserves 6-8 matches, which I think he will get. Saints fans know deep down they were lucky that the incident happened in the first 3 minutes. Wigan still should have won that game, but congrats enjoy your victory, Saints did brilliant with their injuries to make the GF.'"
No your missing my point mate, I don't believe for one min that wane would ask a player to do that, no way at all would he do that and I really really believe that.
I think maybe he had you to revved up with his "we hate THEM" and " I was brought up to hate them" and also " I'd never let my daughters go out with a saints fan" so IMO he'd just got so wound up before the game with Wane trash talking that it wasn't controlled aggression.
In big games, I'm all for aggression and being fired up and I've praised how well up for it Wigan are in big games but maybe just maybe Wane took this a little to far.
For what it's worth, I thought Wigan was probably the better team. You was opening us up with ease out wide and you'd think saints was the man down with the overlap you was creating.
Great effort with 12 men for so long in a big game but saints just hung in there and we took our very few chances.
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| Quote ="St pete"No your missing my point mate, I don't believe for one min that wane would ask a player to do that, no way at all would he do that and I really really believe that.
I think maybe he had you to revved up with his "we hate THEM" and " I was brought up to hate them" and also " I'd never let my daughters go out with a saints fan" so IMO he'd just got so wound up before the game with Wane trash talking that it wasn't controlled aggression.
In big games, I'm all for aggression and being fired up and I've praised how well up for it Wigan are in big games but maybe just maybe Wane took this a little to far.
For what it's worth, I thought Wigan was probably the better team. You was opening us up with ease out wide and you'd think saints was the man down with the overlap you was creating.
Great effort with 12 men for so long in a big game but saints just hung in there and we took our very few chances.
I'm pretty sure Wigan will come back stronger after that.'"
Very Commendable post St. Pete.
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| Quote ="St pete"No your missing my point mate, I don't believe for one min that wane would ask a player to do that, no way at all would he do that and I really really believe that.
I think maybe he had you to revved up with his "we hate THEM" and " I was brought up to hate them" and also " I'd never let my daughters go out with a saints fan" so IMO he'd just got so wound up before the game with Wane trash talking that it wasn't controlled aggression.
In big games, I'm all for aggression and being fired up and I've praised how well up for it Wigan are in big games but maybe just maybe Wane took this a little to far.
For what it's worth, I thought Wigan was probably the better team. You was opening us up with ease out wide and you'd think saints was the man down with the overlap you was creating.
Great effort with 12 men for so long in a big game but saints just hung in there and we took our very few chances.
I'm pretty sure Wigan will come back stronger after that.'"
fair comments Pete although I think you may be taking Wane's 'pantomime villain' comments a little too seriously! Do you really think anyone in the Wigan dressing room really believes he'd have any say whatsoever on his daughter dating a Saints fan? You don't know daughters very well if you do!  Haha |
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I think maybe he had you to revved up with his "we hate THEM" and " I was brought up to hate them" and also " I'd never let my daughters go out with a saints fan" so IMO he'd just got so wound up before the game with Wane trash talking that it wasn't controlled aggression.
In big games, I'm all for aggression and being fired up and I've praised how well up for it Wigan are in big games but maybe just maybe Wane took this a little to far.
For what it's worth, I thought Wigan was probably the better team. You was opening us up with ease out wide and you'd think saints was the man down with the overlap you was creating.
Great effort with 12 men for so long in a big game but saints just hung in there and we took our very few chances.
I'm pretty sure Wigan will come back stronger after that.'"
Fair enough then, good assessment mate. Interestingly, I said to my Dad when the players came out Flower looked 'up' for it when he ran towards the Wigan end. Perhaps a little too fired up obviously! Congrats on the win, any Grand Final win is not to be sniffed at. |
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An independent view of the same incident - [urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4916[/url
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A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !
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A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !
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There's no moral high ground to take here. If you live by the sword you die by it and you did.
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| Quote ="I8pies"A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !'"
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"fair comments Pete although I think you may be taking Wane's 'pantomime villain' comments a little too seriously! Do you really think anyone in the Wigan dressing room really believes he'd have any say whatsoever on his daughter dating a Saints fan? You don't know daughters very well if you do!
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Mine is only 7 so not at the dating stage yet lol |
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"Fair enough then, good assessment mate. Interestingly, I said to my Dad when the players came out Flower looked 'up' for it when he ran towards the Wigan end. Perhaps a little too fired up obviously! Congrats on the win, any Grand Final win is not to be sniffed at.'"
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| Quote ="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
I actually thought he was poor last night - which is a shame as hes a good player. Not on the level of Finch, but a very good player nonetheless. We'll miss him. |
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| Quote ="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
Big miss, he always seems to play well and come up with a play in big games like yesterday, I think it was his pass to Burgess IIRC. By all accounts it will be George Williams who takes over but he was hit and miss a few months ago when filling in. I particularly remember a shocking performance from him at Bradford. |
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| Quote ="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
We went with a kid in Burgess to replace Richards and now nobody is missing Richards. Good players come and go but I predict George Williams to replace Blake and have the same impact within 12 months that Joe Burgess did. He will turn out to be better than Blake when he has fully matured. |
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I will start by making it clear that BF's first punch deserved a sending off never mind the second one which was way OTT. He deserves whatever ban the RFL throw at him. While everyone is taking a moral high ground I should point out that it was Saints who came out of the blocks first with the aggressive high shots from Masoe and then Hoiaha. This is a man's game which is played hard by all and sometimes it boils over and on rare occasions it goes too far as in BF's case.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"We went with a kid in Burgess to replace Richards and now nobody is missing Richards. Good players come and go but I predict George Williams to replace Blake and have the same impact within 12 months that Joe Burgess did. He will turn out to be better than Blake when he has fully matured.'"
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| Quote ="St pete"A young winger and a young stand off is different story IMO. Most backs start first grade with a run out as wingers to get them ready but asking a young guy to play 6 consultant each week is a big ask.'"
The other thing you get with youngsters is inconsistency. I like Williams and think he'll become a very good player but it's a big ask for either him or Powell, if that turns out to be the case, to fill Green's boots who's been a very big player for us. Personally I would have liked a senior option too but, I suppose, that's the price you pay for having such a strong production line. At some stage you'll get a situation where you either play players or risk losing them and I think both Powell and Williams, along with Hampshire, are simply too good to risk losing at this stage of their development. On the face of it I certainly think Saints go into next season with the better options at half which hasn't been the case for quite some time. |
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Am I the only one who wants to see Rocky take over at 6 next year? He is too good to leave out next year IMO. I'd have him at stand off with one of Powell/Williams on the bench, then the year after we can always look at moving him to FB as we did with Sam Tomkins or put Tierney there depending on how he's getting on
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Am I the only one who wants to see Rocky take over at 6 next year? He is too good to leave out next year IMO. I'd have him at stand off with one of Powell/Williams on the bench, then the year after we can always look at moving him to FB as we did with Sam Tomkins or put Tierney there depending on how he's getting on'"
I'd certainly like to see him given some game time there Grimmy. He could be a revelation long term. I think in the short term he'd be subject to the same problems as playing the other youngsters there, perhaps only more so. Ultimately, it depends on whether you're taking the long term view or not. Perhaps more significantly it depends, in these days of NRL poaching etc. whether you can afford to! |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Of course no one can prove anything like that.
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So Charlie that's where you get your one liners from?
When you really do a post will it be like the letter from Ted Lune's mother?
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