Did the topic of wane returning to the club get a mention?

That’s unfair and inflammatory unless you know this person and know it to be true.

Some, including this person seem to believe (and I apologise if I’m wrong) that politics and sport shouldn’t mix. I’d agree to a certain extent but for me, taking a stand against discrimination of all forms (which is was this is now), is not as much a political issue as a societal problem. Sports people are in a position in the public eye where they are able to highlight and publicise such problem, for this I applaud them.

Spot on, politics and sport shouldn't mix.

To the person calling me a ..., come and say it to my face big man.

Why say that other than to be obtuse? Why celebrate another Wigan fan not going to games? I've made my point previously, I'm not going over it again derailing the thread. If anyone wants to get personal then they can come and be personal to my face.

Just for reference I wasn’t agreeing with you merely considering a different viewpoint.

Sports and politics have been mixing for as long as both of those things have existed. It's only a problem because it's something you don't agree with it.

I’m not being obtuse and the internet hardman image doesn’t wash.

Save derailing the thread and going over old ground we’ll leave it there.

I've posted on here since 2005 or at least 2006, numbers have dropped off the radar in recent years and is it any wonder when you get so much snot postings?

Nothing to do with that, so please don't try and link the 2 and make that the reason when it isn't
Twitter, Facebook are the reason for it

Was an interesting read.

Club basically admitting they caused the French injury by starting him too season following his extended break.

I agree with the break he got, but why was he not given a training programme and hired a personal trainer? Club reported he came back unfit.

With regards to Hastings, they basically said he was given an extended break to find a new club. Not sure why we agreed to that to be honest? I know his Grandfather was ill at the time, but the minutes from the club meeting didn't allude to that, unless I have forgotten something.

I also found it contradictory that we were willing to give Williams the clubs biggest ever offer but another paragraph stating signings will need to take a hit because of the impact to signings? (Unless they were willing to make an exception for Williams for some reason? I mean, I cannot see him alone changing Wigan's fortunes and driving crowds back enough to warrant that?)

They didn't say that about Hastings
They give him an extended break as he also had family issues, whatvthey said was that at the same time he was also in talks with other clubs and that got out into public which aggravated the situation and created perceived issues that he want coming back, when he always was.

As for Williams, they did saybthey offered him the biggest contract etc but not sure what yoy mean about that also impacting on signings. What they did day o the night was that him only counting 75k would have meant we could have fitted him in easy, if we sin another halfback then their full wage, or 150k if they end up marquee would count that could affect other signings.

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Jackson Hastings, he obviously had an extended time at home as well. He also had a family situation which was which was very, very grave, and you will have seen that his grandfather sadly passed away this week. The difference with Jackson was that as Bevan was obviously just keeping his head down, Jackson was securing his next move. [/i

Just re-read, yes you are right, back for family reasons but also used it as an opportunity to secure next move.

Re the next point I made:

Do you not think the first 3 points contradict what they offered Williams?

[i That’s why we haven’t rushed out to buy yet another expensive player because we can’t afford it."
"So, when you look at, when people ask the question about why we don’t buy more players, or we’ve got to have salary cap left, because Jackson Hastings is leaving, there are two things you got to do. You got to stay compliant under the salary cap, first of all, and then secondly, you got to be able to afford it."
"So, when he is talking about how much we can spend on players, etc, we have to factor in increases in rent – it certainly as a burden.[/i

"Look at what we bid for George Williams, we offered George Williams the biggest ever contract that Wigan have ever had in 149 years."

And they wonder why there's a lot of mistrust in the way the clubs run, in 1 sentance saying we haven't the money despite Hastings leaving but then offered more than what Hastings was on to get Williams. Somethings not right.

Who is "We"? I thought you were done with the club.

There are a lot of people dissatisfied with the club at present, but I honestly don't know what sort of goal you think you're working towards.

First of all, the Lenagans will clearly only relinquish control of Wigan RL when they are good and ready. They have already given that assurance. So your endless attempts to spread disdain and suspicion are a total waste of time and effort ... no one's going to tear them down on your say-so, even if that was possible. Secondly, they've been pretty effective up until now, and there's no guarantee that whoever takes charge of the club after them will be; Whelan was richer than Ian Lenagan, but look what a pig's ear he made of it. Thirdly, all these endless aspersions you cast are based on minimal knowledge of what's actually going on. No one at Wigan is required to publicise the fine details of financial arrangements with players, agents etc, so all this nod-nod wink-wink thing you specialise in is laughable. It's based on pure, prejudiced guesswork ... and mate, it's as transparent as glass.

You keep threatening to leave. So why don't you go and do it? Then you'll be happy.

Where did you get that I wanted the Lenegans to leave? Yet you accuse me of fabricating things?

They said in the forum that fans expect a lot of money to be left over when Hastings leaves but the reality is there won't be, well in that case how did we offer Williams the biggest contract ever at Wigan if money is tight?

Who has threatened to leave? I can quite happily voice my views, freedom of speech and all that.

Again more snot postings. I'll expect a snotty reply from you in a weeks time which is par for the course.

Only just seen this.

I went into depth a while back, I'm not against anti-racism. Just because you don't support something doesn't mean you are against it. It's like having a badge to say you are not homophobic, so on that basis people who don't wear the badge are homophobic are they? What tosh and its the same with this.

Your position isn't that though is it?

What your actually saying is, your refusing to be served or buy a product from the person wearing that Anti Homophobia badge.
If you went to a restaurant, or a pub, etc and one of the staff or the pub itself displayed an Anti Homophobia message would you refuse to eat/drink or buy a product from there?

Making an analogy doesn't mean that your analogy is accurate

Was about to write pretty much exactly what Jukes has written I.e. 'presumably you wouldn't boycott anyone who wears a pride badge?'

If I ran a pub, resaurant or business and somebody turned up for work displaying any form of support for a politcal cause then I would ask them to remove said paraphernalia regardless of what they supported.

It isn't political. HTH

Thats not what I asked
Are you saying you would not attend, purchase, frequent etc any venue, business, product if that particular business displayed an anti homophobia, racism, etc message?

You know us as a club can show we are not racists by not being racists and punishing any racist comments or actions commited by fans, staff and players alike. But in the 30 years of me going to games I've never once heard any form of racist slur or abuse. In fact I'd say rugby league always has been a very tolerant sport both fans and players alike because we as a sport have always been outcasts anyway when compared to football, cricket, union etc.

You just said just because I used an analogy doesn't make it right and are making your own point with an analogy.

If I went to Galloways every Saturday for a pie barm and then all of a sudden they stopped concetrating on making pies, got all political and started preaching about political struggles then I'd go to Greenalghs.