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| Smith is a quality player in attack and I have no doubt that he will start to show his class in this area, but his defense is aweful, we cannot afford to have someone who cannot tackle in our team, I fear the worst when we play Leeds or Saints and they target him. Imagine if we had played Manly last night, they would of put 70 on us with Smith on that side.
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| Whether 6 or 7 he still has to make tackles. That's the problem with Smith.
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| Without doubt Tim needs to work overtime on his tackling. Lets hope he is in practice. He's already been found out by other teams.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Without doubt Tim needs to work overtime on his tackling. Lets hope he is in practice. He's already been found out by other teams.'"
He needs to tackle low, its as simple as that for me. The number of times he goes for an upper body tackle, gets shrugged off and then tries the exact same thing again next time around is baffling to me.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Bit harsh on Tim, Wigan need stability now and we're slowly getting there.
Personally I thought Sam looked good enough to start and play a full 80 without any issue, and for me this could be the key.
Tim allowed the chance to be a true 7 playing with Sam at 6 could improve Tim. He could focus and passing and organising while Sam takes care of being a good number 6 getting SL experience playing with the first team.
Remember, when Tim was top notch over in Oz he was a true 7 playing along side a 6.
Getting Sam and Tim playing together regularly is what we need, we all know they're both very good players, just need the right setting.
So this for me leaves Tommy at 9, who for me, has been the best number 9 we have this season. He was very good at 9 in the WC, if he is spelled playing week in week out at 9 he'll only get better.
My issue Riddell, whether he is carrying a knock or just unfit he is not firing on all cylinders. Maybe time to get over an injury or to get match fit in the reserves, the issue is he isn't doing it. So, who is spell with Tommy is the issue for me-Riddell or McClorum, if Sam or Ainscough would have started as slow as Riddell they would have been dropped by now, is there a different rule for big name imports?
My team for next week:
1 Richards (Best FB we have)
2 Roberts (Speedy winger)
3 Bailey (Solid in defense, I thought he did well against Quins, better than Goulding or Phelps)
4 Carmont (Best C we have)
5 Ainscough (Quick step Robinson esq winger)
6 Tomkins (Ready to start, to play with TS)
7 Smith (Out and out 7, let him play that why to get the best from him)
8 Fielden (Why not)
9 Tommy (Best 9 we have)
10 O Carroll (Better than Coley, young lad who is getting better with each game)
11 Hansen (Tackle machine)
12 Lockers (Tackle machine)
13 Tomkins (Best Loose we have)
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14 Feka (Impact! interchange with O Carroll)
15 Hock (Impact! Runs like a prop, interchange with Fielden for me. Hock, Lockers and Hansen on the field at one time is solid enough)
16 Riddell
17 Pryce (Could play across the backs or in the pack for size if needed. Offers something else for injuries to the backs and for impact. give the lad a go!)'"
Sounds Ok to me Would have Riddell in as Mc is to slow at the play of the ball
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Bit harsh on Tim, Wigan need stability now and we're slowly getting there.
Personally I thought Sam looked good enough to start and play a full 80 without any issue, and for me this could be the key.
Tim allowed the chance to be a true 7 playing with Sam at 6 could improve Tim. He could focus and passing and organising while Sam takes care of being a good number 6 getting SL experience playing with the first team.
Remember, when Tim was top notch over in Oz he was a true 7 playing along side a 6.
Getting Sam and Tim playing together regularly is what we need, we all know they're both very good players, just need the right setting.
So this for me leaves Tommy at 9, who for me, has been the best number 9 we have this season. He was very good at 9 in the WC, if he is spelled playing week in week out at 9 he'll only get better.
My issue Riddell, whether he is carrying a knock or just unfit he is not firing on all cylinders. Maybe time to get over an injury or to get match fit in the reserves, the issue is he isn't doing it. So, who is spell with Tommy is the issue for me-Riddell or McClorum, if Sam or Ainscough would have started as slow as Riddell they would have been dropped by now, is there a different rule for big name imports?
My team for next week:
1 Richards (Best FB we have)
2 Roberts (Speedy winger)
3 Bailey (Solid in defense, I thought he did well against Quins, better than Goulding or Phelps)
4 Carmont (Best C we have)
5 Ainscough (Quick step Robinson esq winger)
6 Tomkins (Ready to start, to play with TS)
7 Smith (Out and out 7, let him play that why to get the best from him)
8 Fielden (Why not)
9 Tommy (Best 9 we have)
10 O Carroll (Better than Coley, young lad who is getting better with each game)
11 Hansen (Tackle machine)
12 Lockers (Tackle machine)
13 Tomkins (Best Loose we have)
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15 Hock (Impact! Runs like a prop, interchange with Fielden for me. Hock, Lockers and Hansen on the field at one time is solid enough)
16 Riddell/McClorum (Take your pick)
17 Pryce (Could play across the backs or in the pack for size if needed. Offers something else for injuries to the backs and for impact. give the lad a go!)'"
I agree with Bailey at centre he is better there than anyone else atm just for his defense, he is useless and wasted in the second row, he will also score afew tries at centre close to the line due to his strength, Goulding had an oppertunity at Hull and didnt score close to the line but Bailey would have.
I think I agree about Sam Tomkins aswell, can he really be any worse than anything else we have? he is no kid anymore either.
I would have Prescott on the bench instead of Pryce though. Im sure Pryce could play prop though
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| Quote ="MadDogg"He needs to tackle low, its as simple as that for me. The number of times he goes for an upper body tackle, gets shrugged off and then tries the exact same thing again next time around is baffling to me.'"
Exactly. As daft as it sounds he should learn off Sam Tomkins as he has got the art of tackling players, that are much bigger than him, down to a tee.
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| It is weird he can't defend. How the heck did he survive in the NRL? Manly's tackling was brutal/slightly illegal at times last night against Leeds.
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| I've not seen it for myself but I've heard Prescott isn't exactly setting the world on fire in the reserves. I thought he was a cracking prospect b4 he was injured last season, thats my reasoning for putting Pryce on the bench.
Looking at the likes of Tomkins, Ainscough J Tomkins, O Carroll and hopefully Prescott I'm more than pleased with the young Wigan lads pushing through. Hopefully the likes of Farrell Flanny Mossop will push through giving us a strong young wigan 'backbone' to our team. That with some intelligent signings we could have a good structure, for me, the signs are beginning to show.
Maybe for next season
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I've not seen it for myself but I've heard Prescott isn't exactly setting the world on fire in the reserves. I thought he was a cracking prospect b4 he was injured last season, thats my reasoning for putting Pryce on the bench. '"
I think he's only played one game in the reserves and that was a friendly.
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| Quote ="Rilo"It is weird he can't defend. How the heck did he survive in the NRL? Manly's tackling was brutal/slightly illegal at times last night against Leeds.'"
Well he did survived, and survived well until his health troubles.
If he couldn't tackle - there's no hiding place there.
Maybe he has an injury? Confidence issue?
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I've not seen it for myself but I've heard Prescott isn't exactly setting the world on fire in the reserves. I thought he was a cracking prospect b4 he was injured last season, thats my reasoning for putting Pryce on the bench.
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Who cares because when we see him in the first team, he is often our best forward.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"
Maybe for next season
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I agree with 99% of that, But, if Tim picks up the form he showed in his Parramatta days then i say offer him a new contract, if he rejects then we go for someone like Dobson, who has a quality kicking game, which IMO we are lacking this season. IF, and it's a big IF, we have the cap room I would go after Moi Moi, imagine Feka, Hock, Riddell and Moi Moi on the bench, that would scare the life out of any team.
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| Quote ="Swant a brew"I agree with 99% of that, But, if Tim picks up the form he showed in his Parramatta days then i say offer him a new contract, if he rejects then we go for someone like Dobson, who has a quality kicking game, which IMO we are lacking this season. IF, and it's a big IF, we have the cap room I would go after Moi Moi, imagine Feka, Hock, Riddell and Moi Moi on the bench, that would scare the life out of any team.'"
Moi Moi won't get a visa.
We need more of a leader as well otherwise we might as well just get Lynch. Petro is one of the more viable options imo.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Moi Moi won't get a visa.
We need more of a leader as well otherwise we might as well just get Lynch. Petro is one of the more viable options imo.'"
Lynch is a good call, don't think we'll get Petro, he'll want a huge chunk of the cap
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| Just feel Smith (But who knows) won't want to be at Wigan for another season.
If Prescott is ready maybe he deserves a call up, but doesn't Pryce? Only 17 spots..
Moi Moi on the interchange with Feka would be awesome. But where does this leave the likes of Prescott and O Carroll with Feka and Fielden already in the team? I would love Moi Moi, but maybe the buck would be better spent on a good HB to play with Sam and a top quality centre.
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| when smith learns to tackle properly he will be a valuable asset to this wigan team
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Just feel Smith (But who knows) won't want to be at Wigan for another season.
If Prescott is ready maybe he deserves a call up, but doesn't Pryce? Only 17 spots..
Moi Moi on the interchange with Feka would be awesome. But where does this leave the likes of Prescott and O Carroll with Feka and Fielden already in the team? I would love Moi Moi, but maybe the buck would be better spent on a good HB to play with Sam and a top quality centre.'"
Fielden will leave next season anyway if he doesnt start performing.
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| Quote ="chip"This smith is of his head every weekend up town.And it shows in his perferomance`s.Tompkins plays with his heart and that will do for me'"
so sam tomkins dont go out does he, amos roberts was out last week maybe we should drop him aswell ey, stupid
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Just feel Smith (But who knows) won't want to be at Wigan for another season.
If Prescott is ready maybe he deserves a call up, but doesn't Pryce? Only 17 spots..
Moi Moi on the interchange with Feka would be awesome. But where does this leave the likes of Prescott and O Carroll with Feka and Fielden already in the team? I would love Moi Moi, but maybe the buck would be better spent on a good HB to play with Sam and a top quality centre.'"
We could interchange O'Carrol and Prescott on the bench, if they are performing on the pitch we could give them a perminent place in the starting line-up
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| Thought Fielden was here till late 2010?
Would keep him on a much reduced contract or sell him. Would be interesting to see what we could get with the cap freed up by
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| I reckon keep the same as last week - There's no point in throwing Sam T in straight away against Bradford - Bradford are a big pack, they will tire after the second half... Thats when he should put Sam in, maybe even 5-10 minutes later than he did against Quins.
Smiths defence is terrible - In London, I watched him prepare for a tackle and then back out at the last minute - It's a shame because he can be a quality player & can produce an awsome pass - But his defence is shocking, that's gonna be his downfall
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| I am staggered how some people can defend having Tim Smith in the side. He is a shadow of his former self, I do not care what he has won in the past so far at Wigan he has not produced the goods. He has looked absolutely awful in defense his positioning is out of place, his tackling technique is ridiculous for a halfback and his general fitness does not look up to scratch. He is a big weak link in our defense and teams will continue to exploit this all season. It infuriates me when I see him shouting and screaming at the rest of the team when he is the one who is letting players get passed him!
I appreciate people do not want to rush Sam Tomkins but I do not think we are rushing him at all in fact I think the opposite we have been far too slow to bring him into the first team. He needs more game time and seems to thrive on the expectation put on him. He is also very solid in defense as was evident against Harlequins. We looked a far better team with Smith off the field and Sam Tomkins on it. I don't care what age he is, if we're a better team with Sam Tomkins on the field then he should start next week against Bradford. He's ready.
As for Smith IMO he needs a few extra sessions with Mike Forshaw as he does not look fit enough to play consistently for 80 minutes. He needs a lot more work on his tackling technique and we'll see how it goes from there. I'm sure there is a good player in Tim Smith somewhere but so far there has been little evidence of this and it's something we need to address to benefit both Wigan and Tim Smith. He's had a long time out of the game so I'm willing to accept to a certain extent but some of the tackles he's made this season have been shocking and he seems very rusty in that department and unfit. Something which can be fixed and IMO we should give him a couple of weeks out to address these issues, Sam Tomkins is more than capable of filling in for him until Tim Smith is ready for first team action again but until then he should not be playing next week.
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| We needMoi Moi is a very good player but I really wouldn’t take him. This team is crying out for a leader and there aren’t very many around imo.
We need a Faz type player who will in situations were the game is in the balance put in the hard yards, steady the ship and make sure focus isn’t lost. Peacock did it against us in the CC last year and does it numerous times in the big games. We are crying out for a prop like that and despite his age Petro will do exactly that for you. I wouldn’t expect him to be the top of the meter charts but he’d add far much more to our game.
Fielden.
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Prescott/O’Carroll- Both of these will get plenty of game time via injuries, cup games & rotation. Then when Fielden leaves we can accommodate both of them with ease and Mossop can step up into the role Prescott and O’Carroll currently fill.
Easy as pie…………
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| Playing as an out and out 7 with some extra defensive work/tackle work we'd see a different Tim Smith.
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