He was desperate to leave the club. Wigan have his contract, Hock couldn't sign for a rival as Wigan wouldn't allow that. Signing for Widnes for a fee was best for the club, as they want something in return for one of their star players, and of course for Gaz who really wanted out.

No wonder the club were fed-up after a demand for ANOTHER pay rise after giving him two in the last year or so. A contract that he was happy to sign in the first place.

He signed a contract with the club, and the club has stood by through his problems, despite the flak they got from some fans of this club, and through the RL world. His poor contract, as he saw it, was his punishment for his unprofessionalism, and many of us in the real world would have this problem also. It still looks like he brought this on himself.

Check PM's

If, as you say, he wanted to sign for a rival - I'm guessing Saints, Warrington or Leeds - then 'his issue' could not really have been as terrible as some people are suggesting. If he'd legged it to Aus, I'd be more inclined to believe that something really worrying was going on in Gareth's life. But no, he wanted to go down the road.

As things are, and on the basis of what you've admitted - he felt he was owed more than the club was giving him (incredibly, IMO), he was using distasteful methods to try and wheedle more money out of our club, he then had a big-fall out with Wane and told the chairman he would never play for us again (in the possible expectation that he would be sacked and have engineered a free transfer for himself - which would be money our club had lost out on).

Hock is even more diminished in my eyes.

Ok cool.

There was an excellent article in the Guardian a couple of years ago about Mr Charnock & what Wigan were investing in his rehabilitation. Hock owes Wigan plenty. www.newstide.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... k-drug-ban

There was an excellent article in the Guardian a couple of years ago about Mr Charnock & what Wigan were investing in his rehabilitation. Hock owes Wigan plenty. www.newstide.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... k-drug-ban

So has anyone been PM'd the "real" reason?

Hock was banned. Wigan stood by Hock and offered him both a contract and rehabilitation to help him in the long run. Hock signed said contract presumably agreeing with all the contents. Hock then had two wage increases on top of the original contract, which you may or may not believe were deserved. Hock then believes he is worth more than he is being paid, even though he agreed to the original contract and the two subsequent pay increases.

So the question has to be asked, why did he sign the contract if he believed it was so below him? Has he forgotten all the support Wigan gave to him? If indeed he did use the interest from Oz to demand a higher wage, then the club has every right to refuse.

There could well be more to this than has been announced. But it seems there is no arguing that Hock wanted more money, the club didn't believe he deserved this money. Whether this is the main issue or not, I believe this shows that Hock very quickly forgot how the club stood by him. You can argue that he is entitled to do this, after all he is just an employee at a place of work the same as any of us, but you'd like to think that he would have showed some loyalty to those who stuck by him. The silence from Hock's corner in response is absolutely deafening.

I'm surprised he hasn't responded too. He sold a story about the cocaine ban (during the ban) for £30k, so surely he'd be able to make some money off selling a story here, unless there are legal issues or something else holding him back.

Anyway, reasons for leaving aside, we've just lost one of our best players. I would really hope that's there's going to be a replacement, but I doubt it. :/

Basically, going off what Gareth, er sorry, Last son of Wigan has been saying, it appears that Gareth and Wane have had some falling out, over which is purely speculation. Gareth then spat his dummy out, and tried to hold the club to ransom. Lenegan was having none of it, and Gareth has found himself languishing at a bottom of the table club with no future honours looking likely in his career.

From what i've been told there have been other player involved in this so called "bust up" , Didn't want to play for wigan after that, He wanted to go to Aus, Wigan refused... Dummy Spat.... sent him to Widnes.

Don`t tell me Wanes been peering at him in the showers and giving him that come on look and now he wants to leave because he is uncomfortable with the attention.
Allegedly of course.

I THINK ITS GOODBYE TO A BAD APPLE,WHEN YOU HAVE A BAD APPLE IN THE BAG,YOU DISCARD IT TO PROTECT THE REST

Hock is still a Wigan employee so perhaps that is why there hasn't been any response from him or his agent.

Hock has responded in an interview with the Sun. Said that only 'some of what is said is true' and he is sadden that Wigan decided to make the dispute public.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... to-be.html Here is the link to the Hock rebuttal.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... to-be.html Here is the link to the Hock rebuttal.

Cant see him ever coming back, even if Wane moves on, Widnes have the option of a 2nd year.

Ok, in this i back our Chairman and coach. No player is bigger than the club, and i admire the clubs refusal to be held to ransom.
Ellery Hanley tried it years ago, and we shipped him out eventually, and as good as Hock is, hes certainly no Hanley.
Move on, Let the kids through.
When Hanley went it was doom and gloom and "how will we replace him"...Step up young Phil Clarke and Andy Faz, and the rest is history.
just wondering which player(s) will emerge and go on to be Wigan greats.
No gloom here, just excitement, wondering who this/these players will be.

What an absolute yawn-fest!

The only trouble is in those days we had such a great team even losing Hanley wasnt the end of the world. Hoping theres another Phil Clarke or Andy Farrell that will step up to replace Hock is wishful thinking. Hock, Clarke and Farrell were freakish talents who only come along every so often.

Add to the fact that we looked very 'average' on paper with Hock in the team and it leaves us looking pretty damn weak without him. Other than Tomkins and Charnley we have little to no strike players.

Depends how Green pans out. We may get a third strike player there but if we don't we will not do well.

The idea we survived losing Hanley so we can lose another top player now is daft. The side Hanley left was class from 1 to his no 13.

This will run for a long time the truth will come some day may be in july may be longer
When IL does find out the truth he will be looking at getting rid of people at the club who are not give ing the full facts

Wigan have had a good cash offer from a team outside the top 6 why not sell gaz.

Are you another "truth knower" who cant possibly even whisper its name as its so dangerous and deadly to all who know that gareth had to up sticks and move the massive distance to widness in order to escape it?

Sorry if im being flipant.

To be fair Shawshank is usually a very credible poster

Let's draw a line under it, he's gone and that's it I'm sorry he won't play again for us again but hey life goes on and Wigan RLFC doesn't revolve around Gareth Hock!! C"'mon Mods lock it