People read what they want to read with articles like that. There's no way Josh is suggesting he was "singled out" for the Saints game. He was probably one of many who was dragged into SWs office for similar chats, but JC isn't going to air that in a newspaper column is he. The fact is on his day Josh is a world class winger, but we haven't seen that sort of form consistently for over 2 years. He's being dropped because there is an adequate replacement in Manfredi who has done everything asked of him and more when he's played, to the point where he has earned his place. That isn't the case for other players in the squad (who would replace Sarg for example if he were to be dropped.

Injuries have played a part in Charnley's loss of form, but he looks heavy, sluggish and unfocused recently. His social media pages are covered in jollies down to London with some of his other enterprises and he's constantly putting pictures of fast food on, maybe this will be the kick up the backside he needs to get him to concentrate on his rugby.

Charnely has been a shadow of the player we know he can be since Carney made him look a fool at Cas and then he got the injury. He is way behind Burgess and Manfredi in terms of form wingers this season and there's no way Manfredi deserves to have to wait for his chance against given his form and Charnley's.

Josh needs to remember he's a rugby league player and go and find his mojo rather than the self-indulgent "crossroads" excrement in the press.

Why does that matter one way or the other? It's clear he has been and equally clear he's the only player dropped after the Saints loss.

It's all right dragging players into Wane's office if the treatment is the same for them all. Was Sarge who was worse than him in terms of crucial mistakes dragged in? No idea but he's still playing this week.

If players think they are unjustifiably being singled out it only needs to happen to a few and Wane will lose the dressing room.

Actually I think the whole idea of being called to his office is pretty childish when clearly the players know what it's for. It's like being dragged before the headmaster for the cane!

That M.E.N article is a rare glimpse behind the scenes at Wigan and I don't think it paints a healthy picture.

Might have known you'd be allover this. No way on this Earth would JC put in the paper, me and X and Y and Z were called in because of our bad performances. The whole article, which I agree with WLA it is self-indulgent, is about him questioning his own performances of late, and rightly so. I can guarantee at least a handful of players will have had similar conversations.

You can't completely overhaul the team because of one bad performance, but in the case of JC when Manfredi is in reserve and was in such good form prior to his injury, he's got to drop out. Sarg is one player who is lucky in this respect, we've got 2 centres on the treatment table and we're already playing a forward as a centre at the minute. The only way he could drop out is if we take a chance on Gildart or start moving people out of position.

As far as the team for Friday goes, Manfredi in for Josh and Hampshire in for Bowen would be the only changes I'd make.

Might have known you 'd say "Might have known you'd be allover this. ".

Whatever.

I would not expect him to name names. I could however expect him to say "several players were called in, me included" or "I wasn't the only one but...".

He didn't so concluding he was the one up before the beak isn't so far fetched is it?

But it doesn't matter if he was one of several or not. He took the slagging off v Leeds and Hall on the chin but I think you'd have to be a bit naive to think he thinks he was justifiably on the receiving end here.

I also think he has got the blame for Sarge's error and the fact we can't drop Sarge doesn't mean we drop Josh just because we can.

that is exactly my point.
Why do people think that Manfredi, Burgess or Charnley would be a good move to FB? Personally I haven't got a clue who to put there.
The way we play centres and full ball are critical yet we don't have real quality at either position. I said at the beginning of the season that lack of quality centres could be our Achilles heel and none of our current options have changed my mind.
I'd be inclined to retain Bowen at FB and put Williams at 7 with Hampshire at 6 with Smith on the bench. It won't happen but one can hope.
What I would like but I know won't happen is that our props drive the ball in more in particular Mossop & Crosby ( I'm excluding the Huddersfield lad because he is a total waste of a shirt in that he never makes a break and his tackling is always suspect) who have both been very disappointing and who for me do not do enough minutes or enough of the grunt work. For a rough tough team I'm tired of ten forwards in a squad of seventeen not doing as much work as Sarginson for gods sake.
I can accept and indeed expect defeats but the number of twenty minute players is beginning to grind.
Rant over.

You have been saying this for ages, yet there is nothing to indicate this is the case.

Quite the opposite seems to be true, what with Sam, Joel, Mossop and Thornley all returning recently.

To be honest i can think of ZERO articles (that i have read) that indicate anything but masses of respect for the Head Coach.

As for players having private debriefs by SW. What is wrong with that???

When i have performance related discussions with my staff, i generally refrain from doing it in front of the entire team. In this case JC even states that the last session he had with SW, helped him and was just what he needed!!

Why do you have to create this negative vibe about EVERYTHING?

I have got to a stage now when i do not have to bother reading your posts (which i used to enjoy) as i know it will just be completely negative. Whats the point?

Unless I completely misunderstand what you mean, no I have not.



I think you are putting real gloss on this. You think Charnley is "staff" who gets taken aside for an appraisal or a quiet word? You honestly think Wane works like that and takes note of the HR dept?



No idea.

Another DaveO whinging quote-a-thon

Who'd of thought...

Attack the ball not the man would have been my first thought....

I dont think wane would ever lose the dressing room due to the fact that hes had these players from when they were kids which makes the dressing room a very tight knit band of players

So do you honestly and sincerely believe that coaches do not (or should not) have private one-to-ones with players?

Give an honest and straightforward answer.

Could it just have been a "Josh Dom's fit again and he will be in the team on Friday i don't play Wingers of the bench so your not in the squad " kind of meeting giving a player the heads up before going public . We will never know . But hey-ho dont let that stop all the conspiracy theories they are more fun .

Regards , EW

In his column it says he was called in for a 'chat'. he is hardly likely to say who else would have been called in. I find it very hard to believe that he would be the only one hauled into the bosses office

Wane has had it in for Josh ever since Josh invited his agent over to Aus before we played the Roosters. Then the issue quickly developed. It was Josh who was dropped and blamed after that game when anyone who was watching the game could see what was happening; Goulding as flying off his line to quickly get on top of Jennings, knowing Jennings has unbelievable quick feet and speed if he gave him time he's skin Daz. However when Daz shot out of the line Jennings easily dealt with the situation often leaving Josh in no man's land.

Since this season Josh has been injured, and struggled with Joel as a centre, it's not surprising he's now dropped and will possibly end up elsewhere, which is a terrible shame, he needs to brought back into form at Wigan otherwise next year we'll have Manfredi on one wing and no recognised Wigan on the other.

It would be a shame to lose Josh and I hope he can get back to his best in Wigan colours, however IF he were to go I think he could be comfortably replaced and I expect he would free up a big slice of Cap.

Can we afford to keep a player in the team who is out of form at the expense of someone who was in form before an injury? Yes, I realise that Manfredi may come in and stink the place out and if he does he will be dropped and replaced by Charnley. However, given his good form when he has been in the team and his scoring rate, I cant see that happening

Charnley needs to get his head out of his backside (and the backside of the represent clothing people he constantly plugs on twitter) and get it back in the game

Of course it does, that's the whole point of competition for places. It's not so much "dropping players because we can" as playing the best (on form) players available at the time, and for all Sarge's faults, there's no better option at centre at present. Dropping Sarge would weaken the team; dropping Josh doesn't (IMO).

Quite right. Josh is unfortunate to have Manfredi as a potent alternative, and the centre spots will be the same if we ever get Thornley, Gelling and Sarginson fit at the same time. There is, however, an obvious clash of personalities between Wane and Charnley which is a real shame. We've all seen Charnley perform at the highest standards, albeit it been a while. I'd love to see him back to his best and would hope the coach, as the older, wiser, more experienced man would try to help him rather than spurn him.

I agree with this, but at present this season we have two strong attacking wingmen ahead of Josh. As a professional sportsmen, the onus is on Josh to oust one of the two of them through his own performances rather than by giving emotive interviews to newspapers.

I don't really understand why he didn't see this coming. Wigan watchers have known for a couple of years that the club has had two very exciting wingers emerging through the junior ranks. I'd have thought Josh would have upped his game in response, whereas in fact the opposite seems to have happened. It's true that his injuries were very ill-timed, but that is a hazard all sportsmen have to face.

As to the risk of losing him ... it's probably very real, but I suspect we were facing that anyway. As others have alluded to, he was allegedly 'putting himself in the shop window' two year ago when he was down in Aus. And even if that's not true, and he only decides to go because he's been dropped, that shows a poor attitude. I'd love to keep him if he can get back to his best. But if he can't, would it be so massive a loss?.

On current form, no. But I can't belive his best years are behind him at his age. Fingers crossed it all works out and we have him and Manfredi firing on all 6 next season.

I think that's right. A combination of injuries to himself and our first-choice centre haven't helped him fend off competition for his place within the squad. The MEN article looks like a dummy-spit to me. Of course it must be frustrating when other players, like equally out-of-form Sarginson, don't get dropped because there isn't a junior breathing down their neck. But what are the coaching staff supposed to do? Throw in a young lad who isn't ready for first-grade just to teach a first team regular a lesson?

Suppose that would satisfy some on here for whom consistency in team selection is more important than old-fashioned values like wanting to win the game.

Both Burgess and Manfredi are/were top try scoring wingers this year, and Charnley hasn't played as well as anyone, including himself had hoped.
Sarginson has been fortunate in that Gelling and Thornley have been injured or I'm sure he too would have been stood down for a few games.

Bowen was dropped for nine games and replaced by Hampshire. o.k. Bowen made those two bad mistakes on Friday but he had been excellent in the previous two games v Leeds and Huddersfield.

Anyone who thinks that Charnley was the only players to have the see me is living in some sort of parallel universe, and if they don't believe it happens at every other club then they have no idea of how sport (or business) works. It was Charnleys choice to make it public.

maybe thats the issue here. maybe he still treats the players that he coached at junior level as "kids".

Maybe there isn't an issue? Maybe there will always be small issues just like any business?
Strange how these rumours only seem to surface after a loss?

It's only 3 months ago that after the Cas loss David Furner was on his way over and Waney was being sacked Sunday afternoon.
That was a Leighth rumour that was total B0110x - Maybe some people would rather surround thereselves with rumours and unsubstantiated claims?
You know the type, the ones you used to avoid in the pub but now get internet air time.
Think Saddened but without the Anti Wigan agenda, just a constant neccessity to know better than everyone else and will leave no stone unturned in their relentless quest to prove themselves right and everyone else wrong.