I'd like to know what Navarette has done wrong. He's looked decent enough every time I've seen him.

True that. I think I may be a poor judge of young props though as I thought Tom Spencer and Rob Lever were both good prospects before they were dropped then let go.

It either must be something in training, or they aren't doing the little intricacies that Wane talks about. Although I don't know whats so good about FPN doing the little things when he drops the ball a minute later.

Saints are unchanged. Almost full strength looking at their squad numbers and taking account of Zeb Taia as no. 36.

Quote ="NSW"Joe Burgess, Tom Davies, Liam Farrell, Callum Field, Liam Forsyth, Nick Gregson, Willie Isa, Thomas Leuluai, Liam Marshall, Michael Mcilorum, Frank-Paul Nuuausala, Sean O’Loughlin, Sam Powell, Ryan Sutton, Taulima Tautai, Lewis Tierney, Joel Tomkins, Jack Wells & George Williams Read more at wiganwarriors.com/news/2017-05-2 ... YsRFpsg.99 Tierney Davies Forsyth Burgess Marshall Williams Lealuai Sutton McIlorum FPN Farrell Tomkins O'Loughlin Wells Powell Tautai Isa (prop)'" I'd start Isa and TT. Bring Sutton and FPN off the bench, see if it improves their performances from last week.

Quote ="NSW"Joe Burgess, Tom Davies, Liam Farrell, Callum Field, Liam Forsyth, Nick Gregson, Willie Isa, Thomas Leuluai, Liam Marshall, Michael Mcilorum, Frank-Paul Nuuausala, Sean O’Loughlin, Sam Powell, Ryan Sutton, Taulima Tautai, Lewis Tierney, Joel Tomkins, Jack Wells & George Williams Read more at wiganwarriors.com/news/2017-05-2 ... YsRFpsg.99 Tierney Davies Forsyth Burgess Marshall Williams Lealuai Sutton McIlorum FPN Farrell Tomkins O'Loughlin Wells Powell Tautai Isa (prop)'" I'd start Isa and TT. Bring Sutton and FPN off the bench, see if it improves their performances from last week.

Sutton was great on Saturday apart from the two dropped balls.

And again similar to Salford when I watched it back - I dont think FPN was aa bad as he first appeared. Just nowhere near what he's really capable of.

There was a lot to admire about Saturday but the amount of unforced handling errors from senior players wasn't good enough.

The back 7 picks itself this week. Of the back 5, only one first choice player (Burgess) and he's playing out of position!

3 first choice forwards missing in Flower, Clubb and Bateman and I'd suggest we're going n for a very tough night! Saints were like a completely different side last week, they're at full strength and have the 'new coach' mentality that somehow improves a side in unpredictable ways.

That said, I'd still say we're in with a good shout which is a real testament to our depth. Can't wait!!

Navarette looks good when he got the ball but its all the other aspects he struggles with.

Fitness and contact in the tackle is poor at the moment. Noticed this at Leigh in the friendly considering they had trained the house down in pre-season he was sucking up the big ones.

Dreadful start. Marshall didn't even bother to jump and Smith had all night to place a kick.

Ref missed a head clash involving Forsyth and they score down his channel. Cheers Phil.

Lads did us proud again against a (pretty much) full strength Saints side.

Will be tough to back up on Monday but we have an extra day off at least. Forsyth will probably be out so Isa at centre (sigh).

Unbelievable defence at times. Few questions after it though such as not taking a numbe of two points and Tierney, freshest player on the field but looking way off what is expected of what is now an experienced player. Season is being ruined by the number of players out.

And:
- Awful 5th tackle attacking plays, especially kicks
- Isa yet again giving stupid penalties away
- Inability to defend kicks (3 of their 4 tries)
- Inability to cope when Lockers goes off the pitch
- Williams trying to do everything on his own

Was surprised ref never asked to look at the knock on for me. Only saw it once front on but it looked like Morgan touched it, it hit Marshall then he regathered. Only a tiny one but looked like a knock on to me may be wrong. Nothing wrong with last try. To the letter of the law I guess you could say it was interference but in a game scinario try all day.

Lack of experience at big moments is costing us at the moment but the only way you get that experience is by making mistakes and learning from them. Tonight's big issue was poor gave management.

Big positive no injuries of note.

Still confident we will be there of there abouts for SL, Cup may be a bridge too far whilst we get players back.

I thought our defence at times was outstanding and although I hate losing to saints tonight I think we will learn for future years which helps the pain of losing a game that we could have won.
I agree with almost all of your comments with perhaps the one about Williams being the most pertinent tonight. He will learn and will become the best player in SL.

Losing to saints usually ruins my weekend however, tonight I'm made up with our effort and in the knowledge we can get better and that Saints probably can't.
A good game just the wrong result.

Sick of thinking we've performed well but not won.

3 tries from kicks was awful. Tierney ain't good enough I'm afraid.

McIlorum and O'Loughlin were incredible.

Hopefully next few weeks we get Gildart/Bateman and Sam back.

Sam
Davies
Bateman
Gildart
Burgess
Williams
Tommy
FPN
Mcilorum
Sutton
Farrell
Isa
O'Loughlin

Tomkins
Tautai
Powell
Wells

Get that team and go on a run and get in the top 4

Not being negative but the top 4 ain't a gimme.
I thought we wouldn't win a game in May and I still think that.
Lack of props and a proper fullback could be our Achilles heel.
If we get the 4th spot I wouldn't rule us out but I'm not totally convinced we will make the 4 primarily due to injuries which would be a pity as the attitude tonight in particular is spot on and with a few back we would certainly stir things up a bit.

I agree with you to a point, but there is absolutely no way we can drop Marshall. Tonight was the first real mistake he's made, and he got absolutely no ball as we seemed obsessed with going to the right and targeting Grace.

Marshall is our top try scorer, and when you look at the tried he's scored, most of them aren't walk ins like Eden gets. His 2nd and 3rd try against Warrington were entirely self made.

Aye, if you can't beat Saints..You must be struggling..

That's the season gone I think.

Just too many injuries - Odsall has been a triage centre all season.

Hopefully we can get enough back for a decent cup run.

When we lose to Widnes I will start cacking me pants⚖

If Jack Wells keeps progressing like he is we could have a heck of a good player on our hands. Very impressed with his performance.

Spot on.
My kind of forward too.
Aggressive and a decent work rate.
Really hope he keeps on progressing

Yeah, he was good. Showed some smart positional play in defence too.

We just need to stick in, the season is far from over. We should have got four points in this last week yet we've been left with one and whilst that's frustrating, I'm sure we just need a couple of lads back to tip the balance our way.

The GF success of 2016 was great but 2017 could be even better and I think we've got it in us!