Just for thought:

Some on here have mentioned the lack of 'feeling' towards what are seen as the less glamorous weekly rounds eg Cas, Broncos, Widnes, and the poor atmosphere generated during these games ....... do you think this is where having a large all seater stadium actually works against Wigan? (and I suppose Hull and Huddersfield to a lesser extent).

There's a brilliant atmosphere when it's near full for a Saints/Wire/Leeds game, but when there's a sub 10,000, they get too spread out, and sitting down doesn't really help.

I know Saints fans lobbied against their new stad being all-seater, with the result being terraced ends .... not the side terracing some wanted (and Wire fans lobbied for and got), but at least gave somewhere where smaller crowds could still congregate to whip up a better atmosphere during the less well attended games. And, saving a few £'s is never a bad thing .... instead of paying £24 to sit alone on an empty row of seats, wouldn't it be better to pay £18 to stand together and get some singing going? I'm sure the players notice when a grounds quiet ....... and perform accordingly.

I'm not suggesting tearing out rows of seats, because it's a non-starter at most all seater grounds for football reasons, but what about (and don't fly off the handle and dismiss it out of hand - I'm not suggesting mergers or anything daft) if Wigan switched their games with Broncos, Catalan, Huddersfield etc (where away support is 'minimal' and even home support is tepid) to somewhere like LSV? 8,000 supporters in there generates a far better atmosphere than 8,000 spread out at the DW! Would this encourage people to attend these games?

There is no relegation any more so that wouls not be a threat. plus as mentioned we fininished 8th that season so dispite being beyond terrible we would have been in with a good chance of making at least make the semis and that cannot be right no matter what team you support.

not for me as games against cas wakey salford and the like aee generally walkovers and a complete bore. Even games against saints and warrigton meen very little as all 3 will make the playoffs. After all we got beat by wire twice his season and still finished top due to wire not taking the league as seriousky as they did last year.

I'm sure there are weekly benchmarks for ST sales? It should be quickly obvious if they're 50% down on last year by this time next week.

My only concern is the hike we're going to see - I may sit in the posh seats but I'm not pawning any jewelry if it's way above the £240 for this last year.

It is down to the fans to make the RL take notice. Play off attendance were poor and I cannot see much interest in the internationals against Wales and France unless the pricing is competitive. I dont buy a season ticket yet attend regularly missing one home and 4 away games. I like the freedom to choose when i attend and preferring to know that my plans will not be altered to accommodate Sky or Latics. To throw in Monday night games when fans are expecting the usual schedules of Fri,Sat, Sun is treating the fans with contempt and money back should have been offered for those games.

The prices for the International final are £12/£6. NOBODY can complain about them.

The excuse of being priced out of RL games is a terrible one. I paid £21 to watch our Play-Off Semi Final against Leeds which is fantastic value to watch a great game, in a nice stadium with a perfect view.

can't believe anyone should have any doubt about getting a ST it's fantastic value, i just wish they would find a way to include play off games, perhaps a few tokens giving cash off would inspire more to go.

Don't think it will be the prices that dictate the poor attendances for this. I stupidly went to the Exiles game at Saints and it was one of the dullest games I've ever seen. You'd have to pay me to go and watch some more of that "going through the motions" rugby. I've had enough for one year.

Back on topic, I will be renewing my season ticket on the basis that I have nothing better to do

That game was garbage, I agree. Think I turned it off after about 30 minutes. I'm sure we can expect many more considering who the England coach is as well.

Strange, I made a similar point to that you are making now a week or two ago in reference to Leeds to the affect that they did not deserve to be champions because of the way they have played for most of the season, and also that they weren’t good enough to be called world club champions. You said that they had done what they had to do to achieve these titles and so deserved to be called champions even if I thought that the way this can be achieved is a bit of a joke, which was the point I was making in the first place. Now you seem to be making the same point, that is, that Leeds could win today and be crowned champions, a name they do not deserve. The Champions should be the team that finishes top of the SL, and the GF winners should be just that. No one would say that the CC winners should be the champions, so why should the GF winners have that honour when both are played in a similar way. The point is The Champions should come from a Marathon, not a sprint

Out of curiosity, when are they announcing the new Season Ticket prices??

Be careful here - You do realise all this debate about whether the league winners or the GF winners should be called 'Champions' will almost certainly result in the RFL coming up with another of their brilliant ideas, and, assuming the trophies go to different teams, they'll invent yet another money-spinning 'showdown' between the two, with the winners going onto the WCC.

They could call it the 'Charity Shield' and play it in the Isle Of Man

Bring back the regal trophy

Cut the SL down to ten teams
Bring back the Lancashire/Yorkshire cup
Bring back the Regal trophy
Bring back the premiership trophy
Bring back the Ashes tours
Jobs a good un

I presume it's the membership that they're advertising yet being secretive at the same time

You can't beat a foggy night away at Batley or Dewsbury.
Proper Rugby League.

Undecided. The regular season is just 27 friendlies. Its an absolute joke. The amount of back slapping Leeds are getting is crazy. The last 2 seasons have seen Leeds finish 5th in effectively a 4 team league and shown great inconsistency yet our sport labels them a great side. I think they have lost 22 league games in the past 2 seasons yet are back to back champions! TWENTY TWO!!!!!

I won't be purchasing a season ticket, because under the present structure at least 30% of all games are of no consequence to anything, as Leeds have proved yet again.
This is not a knock at them they have played the system perfectly however it beggers belief that if we or anyone else are going to make a serious challenge to be crowned champions then we need to aim for 5th or 6th spot next season.
How they ever sell any season tickets at all is a mystery unless you factor in Yorkshire born and bred, strong in arm and thick in head.

My proposal for making the Super League, Magic Weekend & Play Offs all more competative would be :-

1.Increase the number of licences issued to 16

2.Decrease the number of teams in Super league to 12.

3.Introduce a promotion & relegation system of, 1 up & 1 down, based on a one game knock out (see 6)

4.Make "Magic Weekend" a (mid season) Grand final eliminator, between 12 super league, and top two placed (licence holding) Div 1 teams.
Draw the fixtures at the venue, on the day of the match, 7 winners go through to the end of season play off competition.

5.End of season play offs :-
A straight forward knock out competition between the 7 MW qualifing teams + the highest league placed (at the end of season) loser from the MW eliminating rounds.
Home advantages in the all rounds going to the highest placed teams at the end of the regular season.

6.Super league eliminator game to be played at a neutral ground :-
A one of game between, bottom placed super league club and highest placed licence holder from Div 1. Winner goes into super league for the following season and loser is relegated to Div 1.

Not perfect, but it must be better, more competative and fairer than what we have now, discuss !!!

If you have a 2 comp system it does muddy the waters

League system - To get placings for play offs
Play off - Cup comp to decide Super League champions even though the "league" element has been removed

But the system is there for all to see and is understood by all teams and should be by all fans. Finishing in the top eight gives you the opportunity to become SL champions. Finishing 1st or 8th in the league should not diminish the achievements of the team that is crowned SL champs after the GF.

As I have pointed out on other threads i wish the club would have a forum in the South Stand again, I am pretty sure fans have questions about the club etc and it would go a long way to securing some fans renewing their season tickets. They have not had a forum this season, I don't know why?

The RFL need some sort of mechanism to consult fans on their thoughts and feelings about the game and its developments.

Personally i think the playoffs gained momentum as it went along, the earlier games which allowed clubs a second chance need to be looked at with regards to marketing, annoyingly the RFL/Clubs knew this from last season and didn't really push ticket sales that well. Solutions - ST holders to get half price tickets or £10 and £5 for everyone etc. (I know the RFL had the £5 per child promotion, but generally kids attend with an adult

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I have had a Season Ticket at Warrington for many years now, but I am currently undecided about next year. The 27 league games no longer matter when it comes down to the play offs. Wigan were the best team in RL this year but because of the ridiculous play off system a mediocre team (who are brilliant at play off Rugby) are now Champions !!!!

I am a fervent fan of Warrington Wolves, & I eat sleep and drink Primrose & Blue. But I am thinking why bother with a S/T and just save my money for the big games like Saints & Wigan and the playoffs when it really matters.

Just to be clear I am not against the Play Offs, I just firmly believe that the team who wins the league should be guaranteed a place in the Grand Final & all the other teams fight it out to play them.

That's the point - it is not a 'Super LEAGUE' - it has been reduced to a set of qualifiers for the main event, whereby providing you win 15 of the 27, you can take the preverbial out of the fans regarding team selection/effort put in during the other 12.

Or, if one of the other 'big' teams is struggling, paint your heads red and dance about putting in your worst defensive display of the year, allowing them to get 2 points and some confidence, whilst knowing it wont effect your position in the playoffs at all !!!

Is it worth fans putting together an official statement to the RFL or the clubs about their concerns?

I was thinking of knocking an e-mail out to Wigan about a club forum evening or a lack of.

We wont be renewing after 6 seasons of having a ST, a combination of us being away for 17 days getting married/ couple of grand prix weekends/ games against the likes of cas/wakey/london/hudds/salford being crap matches where we simply aren't getting entertainment for our money.

i will be at 75% of away games and home games against the wire/saints/leeds/big one 6 depending if im in the country.

Will be cheaper than paying £450 for two season ticket renewals in the west

"MAKES SENSE"