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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Farrimond and Smith together in my opinion won’t work. Both are a number 7 and won’t complement each other as they both play the same game. I don’t think currently we have an alternative to French at 6 in the squad other than a relatively unproven Keighran. Having Brierley in the squad would allow Field as another alternative.
Eckersley for a prolonged period at 1 seriously???? I like Eckersley but he isn’t the fleet footed roaming FB that we’ve become accustomed to in last few years and he would reduce our attacking options compared to Field or French. Obviously Brierley isn’t a French or a Field but he does play a similar style of play and has a decent level of pace over the initial 15 or 20 yards.
Brierley replacing Hampshire isn’t an improvement??
I don’t think the Brierley rumour is true due primarily to SC so to a large degree it's probably irrelevant but if it was possible then he’d be a decent signing. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we didn’t sign him however, if we could fit him within the SC then I’d consider him an astute signing with our current first team squad.'"
I thought the same initially re Farrimond and Smith but was comfortable in admitting i was wrong last year when it happened.
For me a spine of
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| Quote ="jonh"I thought the same initially re Farrimond and Smith but was comfortable in admitting i was wrong last year when it happened.
For me a spine of
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Is a better backup than
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7. Smith
Plus it means Farrimond is getting what he needs which is games as first back up.
Would be a pointless and short sighted signing for mine.'"
As I said Jon SC makes the signing of Brierley a bit of a it’s never going to happen. It will be interesting to see how Farrimond develops as currently I think both French and Smith are on long term contracts. Something at some point within the next two years will have to give or Farrimond will probably feel that he has to move on as for me he is an organising 7. It’s a nice position to be in and I’ve just got a feeling that Farrimond may just be one of those players who come along once in a generation. Currently for me Smith is the glue of the team and he could actually kick on and even improve his his all round game even further. Interesting times and I’m just going to enjoy the ride.
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When Farrimond first played in the first team, everyone said, he's a 7 really, but he was actually played in a 'running 6' role, and wasn't too dusty about it. That said, I think Brierley is a decent player (and better than Hampshire), and would be happy to see him in the squad if we could fit him in.
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Wakefield apparently after Makin. Didn’t see anything of him last year. Wonder if we’ll let him go
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[quote="WWste":14yzcdtp]Wakefield apparently after Makin. Didn’t see anything of him last year. Wonder if we’ll let him go[/quote:14yzcdtp]
Matthew Shaw reckons it's a loan arrangement, got no issues with that.
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[quote="CM Punk":36pxz8ks]Matthew Shaw reckons it's a loan arrangement, got no issues with that.[/quote:36pxz8ks]
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Looks like all the team are back in training. From what I can see everyone looks in good shape
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[quote="WWste":2dfe5pfg]Looks like all the team are back in training. From what I can see everyone looks in good shape[/quote:2dfe5pfg]
Luke Thompson in particular looks in phenomenal shape. Dupree seems a little slimmer as well.
The strategy of allowing some of the bigger names like French and Field additional time back home has been a really smart one.
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Looking around social media these past few weeks, Dupree looks to have been working hard and looks trim. Sam Eseh and Harvie Hill also look in really good nick. Eseh in particular looks far more athletic.
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[quote="NickyKiss":241qjqna]Looking around social media these past few weeks, Dupree looks to have been working hard and looks trim. Sam Eseh and Harvie Hill also look in really good nick. Eseh in particular looks far more athletic.[/quote:241qjqna]
We really beefed up Eseh in the last off season. He went from being a naturally big athletic lad to a big muscular lad. Must have put at least 10kg on in a short space of time. All probably part of the bigger picture but I think it affected his performances and contributed to his injury.
A year getting to grips with his body and s second Wigan off season I’m expecting to see him make an impact this year. I don’t expect him to be playing every week but I think if Mago needs a rest or is injured we will rotate him into that impact off the cuff role.
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[quote="NickyKiss":119dpj2g]Looking around social media these past few weeks, Dupree looks to have been working hard and looks trim. Sam Eseh and Harvie Hill also look in really good nick. Eseh in particular looks far more athletic.[/quote:119dpj2g]
Hill for me looks to lost a bit of “puppy fat” and looks all the better for it. I’ve got a feeling that he will kick on this season and he could be a gem that a few people have forgotten about. Eseh is the one lad that I really hopes gets some first team rugby for us this season as I think he has bags of potential and I love his aggressive style.
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[quote="jonh":nx87ewzf]We really beefed up Eseh in the last off season. He went from being a naturally big athletic lad to a big muscular lad. Must have put at least 10kg on in a short space of time. All probably part of the bigger picture but I think it affected his performances and contributed to his injury.
A year getting to grips with his body and s second Wigan off season I’m expecting to see him make an impact this year. I don’t expect him to be playing every week but I think if Mago needs a rest or is injured we will rotate him into that impact off the cuff role.[/quote:nx87ewzf]
I think he'll play a handful of times in the lower intensity games but unless there's some longer term injuries in the front row that give him an extended run, I could see him looking for a move for more regular rugby in 2026. We might have this issue with a few other players like Hill, Farrimond, Forber, Douglas- whilst Wigan might love to keep them as it gives us such great squad depth there will come a point when playing a back up role won't be good enough for them.
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[quote="Itchy Arsenal":daqsvqvq]Hill for me looks to lost a bit of “puppy fat” and looks all the better for it. I’ve got a feeling that he will kick on this season and he could be a gem that a few people have forgotten about. Eseh is the one lad that I really hopes gets some first team rugby for us this season as I think he has bags of potential and I love his aggressive style.[/quote:daqsvqvq]
Hill is the player I probably most want to see kick on in 2025. I think he's a terrific young player but he's in a position that is absolutely stacked and sometimes you need circumstances to just fall your way to get a sniff. He's moved up a spot now with Cooper gone and when a chance comes his way, he'll really need to jump on it. Like you, I have a feeling he will and make himself hard to leave out.
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[quote="Itchy Arsenal":8cs5hrd0]Hill for me looks to lost a bit of “puppy fat” and looks all the better for it. I’ve got a feeling that he will kick on this season and he could be a gem that a few people have forgotten about. Eseh is the one lad that I really hopes gets some first team rugby for us this season as I think he has bags of potential and I love his aggressive style.[/quote:8cs5hrd0]
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I think both lads have the ability to play at the top level. Eseh has size, power and a good offload whilst Hill has got great lateral movement at the line and good hands.
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[quote="MadDogg":1r88gpqh]I think he'll play a handful of times in the lower intensity games but unless there's some longer term injuries in the front row that give him an extended run, I could see him looking for a move for more regular rugby in 2026. We might have this issue with a few other players like Hill, Farrimond, Forber, Douglas- whilst Wigan might love to keep them as it gives us such great squad depth there will come a point when playing a back up role won't be good enough for them.[/quote:1r88gpqh]
To be honest I see all of those players, and Eckersley, being first team regulars in three years and I think they are aware of that.
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[quote="Zig":3mn42q9i]To be honest I see all of those players, and Eckersley, being first team regulars in three years and I think they are aware of that.[/quote:3mn42q9i]
They could be but my point is it would require other players to leave and Wigan will likely have some tough decisions to make. Some of the decisions might be made for them if certain players opt for NRL moves. Maybe on some level Kris Radlinski might think it would make things a little easier if some players do make that decision to open up some spots. E.g. Jack Farrimond can't be a first team regular unless one of French or Smith leave. Forber would need O'Neill or Leeming to go. Zach Eckersley will have an eye on what Wigan decide to do with Adam Keighran. Hill or Eseh likewise with the current front rowers.
I appreciate its a squad game and opportunities open up throughout the season. But ultimately I think we have a number of players who will soon be too good to be satisfied with being squad players who only play when injuries occur or when the regulars need a rest.
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Looking at some of the videos and pics Mago looks in great shape, even with Cooper gone there's tremendous competition for the prop spots and it shows
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They could be but my point is it would require other players to leave and Wigan will likely have some tough decisions to make. Some of the decisions might be made for them if certain players opt for NRL moves. Maybe on some level Kris Radlinski might think it would make things a little easier if some players do make that decision to open up some spots. E.g. Jack Farrimond can't be a first team regular unless one of French or Smith leave. Forber would need O'Neill or Leeming to go. Zach Eckersley will have an eye on what Wigan decide to do with Adam Keighran. Hill or Eseh likewise with the current front rowers.
I appreciate its a squad game and opportunities open up throughout the season. But ultimately I think we have a number of players who will soon be too good to be satisfied with being squad players who only play when injuries occur or when the regulars need a rest. I understand your point MD. I believe that players will move on but also, some of these players will be selected on their ability and displace the current incumbents.
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We do appear to have an abundance of talent. Fitting them all in with game time to suit each player will be difficult.
What we have heard of though is that in seasons to come players will be time limited on the number of minutes they play. Those with there shortest one would presume would be prop forwards. Hence the reason we have so many and at young ages too.
Whether these time limits have been published I don't know but again I presume the initial draft proposals will have gone before clubs by now.
As for 2025 season no one knows the number of injuries and suspensions the squad will suffer but we are starting our season without our number 9. We have two very good replacements who helped us win trophies but Brad is one superb player who is always missed.
The club is being very wise to have so many quality players in the squad and with time limits soon to arrive they have done some exceptional recruitment.
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[quote="Father Ted":334m1h4s]We do appear to have an abundance of talent. Fitting them all in with game time to suit each player will be difficult.
What we have heard of though is that in seasons to come players will be time limited on the number of minutes they play. Those with there shortest one would presume would be prop forwards. Hence the reason we have so many and at young ages too.
Whether these time limits have been published I don't know but again I presume the initial draft proposals will have gone before clubs by now.
As for 2025 season no one knows the number of injuries and suspensions the squad will suffer but we are starting our season without our number 9. We have two very good replacements who helped us win trophies but Brad is one superb player who is always missed.
The club is being very wise to have so many quality players in the squad and with time limits soon to arrive they have done some exceptional recruitment.[/quote:334m1h4s]
The new limits around minutes players can play must be a nightmare for coaches to adhere to.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ex ... -from-2024
I definitely don't have the headspace or motivation to keep track of it but I'm sure we and other clubs have had backs playing more than 25 games? If anything it means you're punished for going longer in the two domestic competitions. Might it mean we have to rest our first teamers more this year because we won all the trophies last year? |
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What we have heard of though is that in seasons to come players will be time limited on the number of minutes they play. Those with there shortest one would presume would be prop forwards. Hence the reason we have so many and at young ages too.
Whether these time limits have been published I don't know but again I presume the initial draft proposals will have gone before clubs by now.
As for 2025 season no one knows the number of injuries and suspensions the squad will suffer but we are starting our season without our number 9. We have two very good replacements who helped us win trophies but Brad is one superb player who is always missed.
The club is being very wise to have so many quality players in the squad and with time limits soon to arrive they have done some exceptional recruitment.[/quote:334m1h4s]
The new limits around minutes players can play must be a nightmare for coaches to adhere to.
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Definitely competition for places going on. Imagining in the near future places will come available with the likes of Miski, Farrell and isa leaving. Then players going to NRL
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The only player you sort of worry about opportunities opening up for is Farrimond. I say 'sort of' because you can't really worry that he wouldn't get a chance, as that would probably mean French finishing his career here and Harry Smith continuing his career at Wigan for a number of years. Even then, I'd imagine a chance will crop up, be that through one of those two moving on to the NRL or even Field going back and then French being moved in to fullback again.
Guys like Eckersley, Douglas and Hill have realistic targets to try and get past (Miski, Keighran, Byrne, Dupree etc) and if they're good enough, they'll manage it and will nail a first team spot. In terms of Eckesley/Keighran, I get the feeling Wigan may hold off on any offer for Keighran and promote Eckersley for 2026 but we'll see.
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[quote="NickyKiss":3jf0d4re]The only player you sort of worry about opportunities opening up for is Farrimond. I say 'sort of' because you can't really worry that he wouldn't get a chance, as that would probably mean French finishing his career here and Harry Smith continuing his career at Wigan for a number of years. Even then, I'd imagine a chance will crop up, be that through one of those two moving on to the NRL or even Field going back and then French being moved in to fullback again.
Guys like Eckersley, Douglas and Hill have realistic targets to try and get past (Miski, Keighran, Byrne, Dupree etc) and if they're good enough, they'll manage it and will nail a first team spot. In terms of Eckesley/Keighran, I get the feeling Wigan may hold off on any offer for Keighran and promote Eckersley for 2026 but we'll see.[/quote:3jf0d4re]
Every now and then I think we should take advantage of the pace of guys like Eckersley and Douglas on the right wing (usually after Miski gets in space and can't finish off a chance). But then you see Miski eat up the metres and resemble a defensive brick wall in a big game and you're reminded what he brings to the team.
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[quote="Itchy Arsenal":1b36yhwf]Are these limits effective from 2025? Maybe I’ve missed the announcement but if the announcement hasn’t been made then it’s absolutely ridiculous if this proposal is still “up in the air” so close to the start of the season.[/quote:1b36yhwf]
According to the article it began last year.
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