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It seems we are finding out the influence of GH's agent.
He tries to get Gaz more money, due to Hock believeing he is worth it, then ends up with having his client leaving the top of the table club to play for the team that finished bottom of the League.
I do hope that's not true and I've read something wrongly into this. If the above is anything like true then I genuinely feel sorry for Gaz.

He did want more money. Then a major issue with Wane hit which caused him to just want out, regardless of money or anything.

Post Hock ergo propter Hock?

I'm not asking for more in depth knowledge but would be grateful if you'd re-hash that which you've already posted.

Save me tracking back through a lengthy thread. Cheers.

Hock wanted out of Wigan due to an issue with Wane. Hock looks like a total idiot who's disrespected the club, Hock's reasons for living are justified, personally I would have wanted out myself if I was in the same situation.

leaving*

The problem is, on one hand, you're claiming that Hock left because an issue arose so bad that you too would have wanted to leave. But on the other, you're claiming that Hock left because of an issue with Wane.

Are these issues one and the same?

Bingo

Aha. So it does just boil down to a fall-out with the coach.

Following on suspiciously quickly from a demand - that some would regard as unreasonable - for a pay-rise.

The payrise and the issue are two separate matters.

You are all crazy and daft as brushes, I am one of the people involved, I know what's gone on and if you don't believe me well that's just plain naive.

I'm not going to say on here who I am but I was certainly there and involved so beleive what I tell you as it comes first hand and I'm a trust worthy person.


Now you can trust in the truth from me or spin from the Wigan Club.





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Perhaps not in the eyes of those being required to give the pay-rise.

But assuming you're right ... it all boils down to a fall-out with the coach.

As a result of which, Gareth is now at Widnes. Great agent he's got himself.

He was desperate to leave the club. Wigan have his contract, Hock couldn't sign for a rival as Wigan wouldn't allow that. Signing for Widnes for a fee was best for the club, as they want something in return for one of their star players, and of course for Gaz who really wanted out.

No wonder the club were fed-up after a demand for ANOTHER pay rise after giving him two in the last year or so. A contract that he was happy to sign in the first place.

He signed a contract with the club, and the club has stood by through his problems, despite the flak they got from some fans of this club, and through the RL world. His poor contract, as he saw it, was his punishment for his unprofessionalism, and many of us in the real world would have this problem also. It still looks like he brought this on himself.

Check PM's

If, as you say, he wanted to sign for a rival - I'm guessing Saints, Warrington or Leeds - then 'his issue' could not really have been as terrible as some people are suggesting. If he'd legged it to Aus, I'd be more inclined to believe that something really worrying was going on in Gareth's life. But no, he wanted to go down the road.

As things are, and on the basis of what you've admitted - he felt he was owed more than the club was giving him (incredibly, IMO), he was using distasteful methods to try and wheedle more money out of our club, he then had a big-fall out with Wane and told the chairman he would never play for us again (in the possible expectation that he would be sacked and have engineered a free transfer for himself - which would be money our club had lost out on).

Hock is even more diminished in my eyes.

Ok cool.

There was an excellent article in the Guardian a couple of years ago about Mr Charnock & what Wigan were investing in his rehabilitation. Hock owes Wigan plenty. www.newstide.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... k-drug-ban

There was an excellent article in the Guardian a couple of years ago about Mr Charnock & what Wigan were investing in his rehabilitation. Hock owes Wigan plenty. www.newstide.co.uk/sport/2011/ma ... k-drug-ban

So has anyone been PM'd the "real" reason?

Hock was banned. Wigan stood by Hock and offered him both a contract and rehabilitation to help him in the long run. Hock signed said contract presumably agreeing with all the contents. Hock then had two wage increases on top of the original contract, which you may or may not believe were deserved. Hock then believes he is worth more than he is being paid, even though he agreed to the original contract and the two subsequent pay increases.

So the question has to be asked, why did he sign the contract if he believed it was so below him? Has he forgotten all the support Wigan gave to him? If indeed he did use the interest from Oz to demand a higher wage, then the club has every right to refuse.

There could well be more to this than has been announced. But it seems there is no arguing that Hock wanted more money, the club didn't believe he deserved this money. Whether this is the main issue or not, I believe this shows that Hock very quickly forgot how the club stood by him. You can argue that he is entitled to do this, after all he is just an employee at a place of work the same as any of us, but you'd like to think that he would have showed some loyalty to those who stuck by him. The silence from Hock's corner in response is absolutely deafening.