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| Quote ="LondonRobster"I take it you didn't bother reading the article.'"
i have read the article but im sure we can also attract an assistant coach starting now, instrad of next year i just think its a waste of money for him playing this year where crying out for a prop not a 7
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| Quote ="Bilko"As an assistant coach. Only one year is as a player.'"
Oh, I was only skim reading...
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| Quote ="Saz"Oh, I was only skim reading...
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The BBC doesn't mention it that I can see so they give the wrong impression. It's on the official site though.
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| Personally I think its a great bit of business getting him on a 1 year playing deal. Local lad, has a lot to offer as far as experience goes and he has the time to learn the coaching ropes at our great club.
I have been a big critic of IL but he seems to be getting things in place.
I'm really getting excited about the new season already.
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| Quote ="Bilko"We've not signed him as a key player though. He's not replacing anyone so I don't see why you can call the signing pointless? He offers us two options, a kicking game (which we didn't have in any shape last season) and an alternative goal kicker. For me he could help mould Sam Tomkins into an even better player next season. If Sam can add a quality kicking game to his nifty footwork then he can be the complete half back.'"
Absolutly, Sam needs to learn how to lead a team around the park. Deacon has had a long career in doing exactly that. Who better to learn off?
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| Quote ="Legend That Sorts It"i have read the article but im sure we can also attract an assistant coach starting now, instrad of next year i just think its a waste of money for him playing this year where crying out for a prop not a 7'"
Deacon will be assistant starting now
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| what squad number do ppl think hel be taking any suprises in store
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| In regards to "we are crying out for a prop" - I'd actually back Maguire and Wane to get Fielden firing on all cylinders again and also to get Feka playing more game time. If that happens we don't need another prop. Personally I think Coley and Prescott did an effective job last year. Not to mention O'Carroll (although he will take a while to get over his injury) and Ben Davies in the ranks as well.
I wouldn't panic on prop forward in this first season. I'd see how it goes. If Fielden doesn't work out this year I expect he'll be finishing is days down with Noble in Wales.
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| I wonder if MM will stick with Lockers as captain?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"It's highly possible, with all these benefits, that he has been prepared to take a hit in terms of his salary for one year - especially as when he takes up his full-time coaching reins, a year after that, Wigan can afford to be generous to him.'"
That really doesn't matter as I have been trying to explain. He will most likely be one of the top 25 earners at the club even if he is on a low wage and a club can only divide its salary cap up (the £1.6m part) between 25 players.
If he isn't then his salary would eat into the £50K outside the £1.6m that is intended to be used when a young low wage player gets the odd game.
Quote It's also a matter of opinion whether or not that cap space is 'being wasted'. Like it or not, we need cover in the halves. An alternative might have been to promote Joe Mellor into the first team squad, but personally I think he's too young. Give Mellor another year, and he'll be fine - until then Deacs will provide more-than-adequate cover. And if it does put pressure on the likes of Riddell to get his act together, then you won't hear any complaints from me.'"
Nor me but we need to get over this idea that paying a player a low wage makes the cap go further. Pay 25 players averaging £50K a year (total £1.25m) does not mean the club could spend the remaining £350K on a couple of players.
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| Quote ="Legend That Sorts It"i have read the article but im sure we can also attract an assistant coach starting now, instrad of next year i just think its a waste of money for him playing this year where crying out for a prop not a 7'"
But he'll be our assistant coach starting now. That's why it's a good piece of work. Because he can do two jobs for us.
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| Quote ="Bilko"In regards to "we are crying out for a prop" - I'd actually back Maguire and Wane to get Fielden firing on all cylinders again and also to get Feka playing more game time. If that happens we don't need another prop. Personally I think Coley and Prescott did an effective job last year. Not to mention O'Carroll (although he will take a while to get over his injury) and Ben Davies in the ranks as well.
I wouldn't panic on prop forward in this first season. I'd see how it goes. If Fielden doesn't work out this year I expect he'll be finishing is days down with Noble in Wales.'"
well said. i'd be amazed if feka isn't at least a stone lighter come february
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| Quote ="JordanWarriors"well said. i'd be amazed if feka isn't at least a stone lighter come february'"
Well if he's not, he'll be a lot lighter in his wallet.
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| Quote ="Bilko"In regards to "we are crying out for a prop" - I'd actually back Maguire and Wane to get Fielden firing on all cylinders again and also to get Feka playing more game time. If that happens we don't need another prop. Personally I think Coley and Prescott did an effective job last year. Not to mention O'Carroll (although he will take a while to get over his injury) and Ben Davies in the ranks as well.
I wouldn't panic on prop forward in this first season. I'd see how it goes. If Fielden doesn't work out this year I expect he'll be finishing is days down with Noble in Wales.'"
Totally Agree, I have watched the reserves (coached by Wane) and the way Ben Davies and a couple of the other props in the reserves ran the ball in last year leave me in no doubt that Feka and Fielden will be different players next year.. If after half a season we are still lacking in the props and we are in with a shot at a Trophy then its something we should consider.
We need cover in all positions which we have now with Deacon in the halves/ dummy half and players must fight for their place, that goes for Tomkins, oloughlin, richards whoever.. IF you want to wear the cherry and white hoops.. then you have to prove that your worthy, because the days of having a shirt just because your name is Gleeson Fielden or Carmont are over ... and Amen to that!!!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Well if he's not, he'll be a lot lighter in his wallet.'"
Are you implying that McGuire has put in place some sort of fining system for players who do not reach club set targets?
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| Quote ="Bilko"In regards to "we are crying out for a prop" - I'd actually back Maguire and Wane to get Fielden firing on all cylinders again and also to get Feka playing more game time. If that happens we don't need another prop. Personally I think Coley and Prescott did an effective job last year. Not to mention O'Carroll (although he will take a while to get over his injury) and Ben Davies in the ranks as well.
I wouldn't panic on prop forward in this first season. I'd see how it goes. If Fielden doesn't work out this year I expect he'll be finishing is days down with Noble in Wales.'"
And you've not even mentioned the way Mossop went, largely at prop, for the team that finished 3rd last year! I'm sure he's in for a big season and could even prove to be the prop we've been missing.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Are you implying that McGuire has put in place some sort of fining system for players who do not reach club set targets?'"
Think it's always been in his contract that he has to reach certain weight limits and he didn't last year for the first time if rumours are to be believed. Perhaps Rogues can confirm.
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| best goal kicker in super league for me..apart from that i think hes pretty average
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| Quote ="DaveO"That really doesn't matter as I have been trying to explain. He will most likely be one of the top 25 earners at the club even if he is on a low wage and a club can only divide its salary cap up (the £1.6m part) between 25 players.
If he isn't then his salary would eat into the £50K outside the £1.6m that is intended to be used when a young low wage player gets the odd game.
Nor me but we need to get over this idea that paying a player a low wage makes the cap go further. Pay 25 players averaging £50K a year (total £1.25m) does not mean the club could spend the remaining £350K on a couple of players.
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I only suggested that it isn't necessarily a waste of cap space. At the end of the day, if a player of Deacon's experience and ability is on a relatively low wage, then I'm largely correct.
But for the sake of peace, perhaps it's time we left this sort of wages speculation to the people who actually have the books in front of them.
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| Quote ="king warrior"The point i'm trying to get across why waste cap space bringing him in has a player/coach and not just a coach?
If they said he's coming in has a coach fair enough but no need waste cap space'"
Ever thought you may be paying him sod all as a player in 2010, then considerably more as a coach from 2011?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Ever thought you may be paying him sod all as a player in 2010, then considerably more as a coach from 2011?'"
Are you suggesting that a Wigan player would play a season of SL for no payment?
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| Quote ="DaveO"That really doesn't matter as I have been trying to explain. He will most likely be one of the top 25 earners at the club even if he is on a low wage and a club can only divide its salary cap up (the £1.6m part) between 25 players.
If he isn't then his salary would eat into the £50K outside the £1.6m that is intended to be used when a young low wage player gets the odd game.
Nor me but we need to get over this idea that paying a player a low wage makes the cap go further. Pay 25 players averaging £50K a year (total £1.25m) does not mean the club could spend the remaining £350K on a couple of players.
Dave'"
Dave, i'd suggest if you're actually worried about the 25, you go and count the number of players in the first team and look at the names on the sheet, and also bare in mind that 2nd tier cap liability (£50k) only applies if the player plays a salary cap qualifying game (SL or CC) unlike the 1st tier cap.
For example: Liam Farrell, Chris Tuson, Ben Davies, Josh Vievers and Ian Thornley didn't count on the cap at all (1st or 2nd Tier liability) last year as they didn't play a single qualifying game and they were extremely unlikely to be in the top 25 earners.
That left us with 25 players including Mathers, who has now gone - Deacon brings the number back up to 25 plus the aforementioned 5 players.
I imagine IL and Maguire have done the salary cap maths.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I only suggested that it isn't necessarily a waste of cap space. At the end of the day, if a player of Deacon's experience and ability is on a relatively low wage, then I'm largely correct.
But for the sake of peace, perhaps it's time we left this sort of wages speculation to the people who actually have the books in front of them.'"
The irony of a 'waste of cap' statement, is for it to be a waste you'd need an actual alternative that was prevented from playing because of this. Without the alternative the only true waste is not spending upto the cap in the first place.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"
I imagine IL and Maguire have done the salary cap maths.'"
Let's hope it wasn't using Mo's calculator.
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| I'd also dearly love to know who the mystery prop we should be signing is, given we currently have 6, no awesome props seem available (Saints were badly in need of a prop and had to go for Fozzard), our cap situation is going to be radically different for 2011 - and that's even assuming over the course of the next 12 months of the new coaching setup that we're even going to be in the same boat we have been prop performance wise.
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