Quote ="Judder Man"Let me take you back to the original whinger then:- www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Stop it! Brown started all this when he was at Huddersfield! My point is about the constant on field moaning at the ref which is against the rules may I add. The coaches are permitted to make comments after the game and in mid week press conferences and they ALL like a moan. The on field shouting at the ref by your players last night was completely OTT.

Quote ="Judder Man"Let me take you back to the original whinger then:- www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Stop it! Brown started all this when he was at Huddersfield! My point is about the constant on field moaning at the ref which is against the rules may I add. The coaches are permitted to make comments after the game and in mid week press conferences and they ALL like a moan. The on field shouting at the ref by your players last night was completely OTT.

Saints fans never let you down... From bad losers to bad winners... lol

Yes Brown did when at Hudds.

IIRC it was to do with Mason being let loose if refs can't control matches. It was when Maguire was our coach.

Haha. Taking it well I see.

Not too worried mate, but thanks for your concern. You will find that i don't normally succumb to "knee-jerkery" after a game during the season, as it's all a build up to the end of the season playoffs. If the coaches are having verbal handbags, so what. All good advertising, and tomorrow's chip paper.

The constant diving and attempts to milk penalties where there was none by Batemen was far worse. He's rapidly becoming the biggest ****house in RL.

So come on then I'll humour you. How are we being bad winners?

Penalty count was only 9-5. Brown is talking absoulute garbage as per usual.

Im not concerned. A full strength Wigan squad when it matters will convincingly beat this Saints side, with or without Walsh.

Spot on, that's the reason why this loss doesn't bother me all that much, yeah I always like to win against saints but when you put it into context it doesn't signal doom n gloom for us it's just 1-1 in the saints series with all to play for

That's exactly the feeling I walked away from last night with. We were awful and it was a frustrating night but add our 6 or 7 injured players in and even playing that poorly we'll get on top of Saints in the play offs.

It was a poor night in isolation but it actually gave me an awful lot of confidence.

Let me take you back to Graham Hock who manhandled 2 referees whilst under contract with Wigan, I suppose thats was OK at the time and not in the slightest OTT.

Every club in Superleague can come up with instances involving Wigan going beyond the line of fair play.

Who?

And they are all etched into your bitter hearts..

I suspect you are referring to Gareth Hock and not his long list relative Graham?

Hope got a very lengthy ban for that and rightly so. It's the constant moaning at the ref that I refer to. Watch last nights game back and tell me I'm wrong.

It seems the saints fans who have responded to my comments have not said I was wrong but offer weak examples of when SW, Tomkins and now Graham Hock have done similar? I think that says it all....

Who?

You couldn't make it up! If you are gonna take the mickey out of someone for getting a name wrong, make sure you get it right yourself.

When Hock was under the influence of drugs he didn,t know if he was a Gareth or a Graham, so I,ve just used the latter.
He was always confused prior to this, I,m not sure but I think his real name was Charnock.

Ha, I'll give you that one!! Damn you predictive text!!!

And every club in SL can come up with instances involving St Helens going beyond the line of fair play. As it happens every club in SL can come up with instances of every other club in SL going beyond the line of fair play, every club in the NRL.......... Well you get my point.

All this bitterness towards Wigan is getting tiresome now. It's time a significant minority grew up and started to understand what the sport and what rivalries are all about. In one breath you praise Brown for whining about refs in the next you criticise Wane. Which one is it? You either like a bit of mind games or you don't.

He was not whining about refs, he was whining about Wane Whining about refs, therefore influencing a poor ref performance.

As for Saints going from bad losers to bad winners, at least we are starting to show some consistency at long last.

The problem is that wane reacted to it. If he just smiled and laughed then Brown would have looked the idiot.

Instead wane, after probably shouting at his players in the dressing room due to losing the only match he cares about, just couldn't help himself and came out with some daft quotes.

Wane is rattled.

Nah, Waney cares about finals, which we tend to win a few of these days. And whilst we are on the subject of "the only game people care about" Il tell you what was embarrassing, your lot time wasting and then celebrating like you have just won the grand final in a league game, against a Wigan side missing 9 first team players. How the mighty have fallen eh.......

Good to see you're dealing well with the defeat mate.

I came out of the game feeling very good actually. Thought we played extremely well considering the players missing. They dont hand trophies out in June. I remember similar conversations on these boards last season....

Correct me if I am wrong, but a couple of days pre match Wane quoted that this was like a Grand Final for him and his team, so obviously we celebrated as such.
Saints have been rubbish for a lot of this season but have been top of the league for long periods, so I wouldn't say the mighty have fallen, in comparison to say getting beat 75-0 or going back in history to when Wigan got relegated to the second division.
Wigan, Leeds, Castleford, Warrington, Huddersfield and Saints can all win Superleague this year, so its "not all Wigan".

This is the Wigan forum so I think you will find that "it is all Wigan" on here, if your not happy with that...tough.