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| And to think the one eyed loiner could only think of 1 other player who was a "similar size". Convenient that he just so happened to play for Leeds.
Pretty insular that lot
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| Quote ="Bovrick"I was under the impression that he was mimicking the reductio ad absurdum you presented over strength, with size.
I think the point was that [iyou[/i ignored compensatory virtues; ie Farrell makes up for his lack of height with strength, and presumably as he ages he'll match the likes of Gallen and Watmough too in size. He also makes up for it with good positioning, workrate, vision, skill etc..'"
Well spotted!
You'd have thought Einstein would have picked up on it?
As for the rest of you highlighting forwards of a "smaller" nature who were/have been world class, cheers for saving me the job of embarrassing him, it will save my tiny brain from having to.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"And to think the one eyed loiner could only think of 1 other player who was a "similar size". Convenient that he just so happened to play for Leeds.
Pretty insular that lot'"
Dear me. The attack of the inbred intelligentsia. Like being assaulted by a dead sheep. So perceptive you can't even fathom which team I favour or where I live.
Shane Webke, the best front rower ever? Better than Lee Mossop? At 17.5 stones the same size as the ginger giant.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I know this is probably a bit much for your little brain to comprehend (you might want to ask your physics teacher), RL forward play is about power - speed, strength & weight combined. Farrell is a great club player who might develop into an international player, he has all the qualities apart from size.
What do the following world class players have in common?
A Farrell, Scully, Sam Burgess, Betts, Ellis, Morley?
The only other player I could think of in the L Farrell mould is JJB, another great club player & fringe international but not world class. Andy Platt is the same height as Farrell but developed into one of the best props in the world at well over 16 stones.'"
You might be able take this in your pee brain , your speaking !!!
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| It's only two games in, but I've been encouraged by the combination of him and Blake Green. Green is a smart player and Farrell will thank him for some of the smart plays he makes to put Faz into space. Likewise the lines that Faz runs are top draw.
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| Quote ="shooter69"your speaking poop'"
My speaking poop what? What's it done? My poop's spoken?
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| Quote ="tigertot"My speaking poop what? What's it done? My poop's spoken?'"
The second rule of arguing on the internet is.
Once your argument is proven invalid. Attack the spelling/grammer of the opposing persons argument.
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"The second rule of arguing on the internet is.
Once your argument is proven invalid. Attack the spelling/grammer of the opposing persons argument.'"
And refuse to acknowledge the examples given which suggest that size is not necessarily a key factor even among rugby league forwards.
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| Not been reading much, as once "Mr Arrogance" gets involved, it all gets a little boring. But, Mick Cassidy tackled well above his weight/size.
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| Better than Hansen!
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| Quote ="Cruncher"And refuse to acknowledge the examples given which suggest that size is not necessarily a key factor even among rugby league forwards.'"
Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Not been reading much, as once "Mr Arrogance" gets involved, it all gets a little boring. But, Mick Cassidy tackled well above his weight/size.'"
Another cracking club player but not the quality we need/needed to beat The Aussies.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.'"
Inbred hillbillies? Can someone please remove this annoyance? I know others on here delight in ridiculing him and I am loth to take away their fun but come on.....
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| What does size matter? If he's good enough, he's big enough.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.'"
No need for the insults, shows a real lack of intelligence on your part.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.'"
Cut out the personal insults please.
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| Perhaps Liam's peformances in the first two league games justifies Shaun Wane's decision to give him the 12 shirt.
This was obviously promotion for him and in the first two games he has proved he's worth it.
SW made his decision way back when things were in a state of flux with Gaz Hock.
Whether SW's move with the 12 shirt was directed towards Hock or for the benefit of Farrell I've no idea.
What is apparent is that Liam Farrell has stepped up his game as he's stepped up into the staring thirteen.
Even if Hock or Hansen returned tomorrow, which they won't, figuratively speaking who would drop Liam Farrell?
Certainly not me!
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| Quote ="tigertot"Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.'"
Genuine question, why do you have to think of British players his size that are/have been world class?
You acknowledge players his build can be world class so why does it matter where that are from?
Power is to do with speed x strength. If Faz puts on significant weight he would sacrifice his ability to generate speed. His strength has been highlighted.
He also has a first class mental approach to the game ie work ethic and intelligent lines of running.
If as you freely admit lads a similar size to him can be world class, why would the fact he is British affect this potential?
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| Quote ="jonh"Genuine question, why do you have to think of British players his size that are/have been world class?
You acknowledge players his build can be world class so why does it matter where that are from?
Power is to do with speed x strength. If Faz puts on significant weight he would sacrifice his ability to generate speed. His strength has been highlighted.
He also has a first class mental approach to the game ie work ethic and intelligent lines of running.
If as you freely admit lads a similar size to him can be world class, why would the fact he is British affect this potential?'"
So he can start an argument?
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"So he can start an argument?'"
You think?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Fair enough, I agree Whatmough & Gillmeister are examples of world class palyers of a similar size to Farrell. I was thinking of British examples of world class back rows & couldn't come up with one. No-one else has yet. My point from the start, if some had bothered to read the thread, was that though I agree Farrell is a cracking club player he is too light to be international class & possibly he will develop into an Andy Platt type prop. So the genius suggesting a 17.5 stone front row is currently comparable looks as daft as he does suggesting I am a Loiner. At no point have I intended to be disrespectful to Farrell. It was a number of inbred hillbillies starting the insults, insecure when someone not from these parts tries to debate.'"
I would reply but i fear you may retort to your usual of sending PM's pleading that you "are just trying to start an intelligent debate" blah blah
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"I would reply but i fear you may retort to your usual of sending PM's pleading that you "are just trying to start an intelligent debate" blah blah'"
Why does he persist with us "Inbreds", good of him to make the effort i suppose, we should be more grateful.
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| I think we should start to call him "thrush"
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Why does he persist with us "Inbreds", good of him to make the effort i suppose, we should be more grateful.'"
I suppose it's a slight improvement on the "Wigan Imbreads" comment on the Wigan facebook page posted by some dozy Wire chavvy bint on Saturday.
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| Cracking player is the ginger pearl.
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