Who is claiming its a rugby stadium it was built with dual purpose in mind football and rugby .We all know what Dave Whelan prefers he has bankrolled the Latics writing off all your debts .

Quote ="jaws1"I sent an email to Brian Simpson Wigan's Euro Mp Earlier today asking nearly the same questions Whose land was it built on [i am led to believe its Council Property Was the Planning application for joint usage. How was the JJB funded ie,Council ,Lottery,EEC,Sports Council etc or Whelan Himself .No doubt it will take time to get back to me as it will have to be researched. Brian Simpson came out publicly to decry Whelan in the press and on the radio. [urlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/2778310/Dave-Whelan-treating-Wigan-Warriors-supporters-like-second-class-citizens---Rugby-League.html[/url He has also stated that he has had a lot of hate mail from Latics fans but none from Wigan Warriors fans email to thank him briansimpson.labour@virgin.net'" I had a very nice e-mail from him thanking me for my e-mail to him and my support.

Quote ="jaws1"I sent an email to Brian Simpson Wigan's Euro Mp Earlier today asking nearly the same questions Whose land was it built on [i am led to believe its Council Property Was the Planning application for joint usage. How was the JJB funded ie,Council ,Lottery,EEC,Sports Council etc or Whelan Himself .No doubt it will take time to get back to me as it will have to be researched. Brian Simpson came out publicly to decry Whelan in the press and on the radio. [urlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/2778310/Dave-Whelan-treating-Wigan-Warriors-supporters-like-second-class-citizens---Rugby-League.html[/url He has also stated that he has had a lot of hate mail from Latics fans but none from Wigan Warriors fans email to thank him briansimpson.labour@virgin.net'" I had a very nice e-mail from him thanking me for my e-mail to him and my support.

Great work Donna!

when you obtain the office copies from the land registry you need to request a copy of the registered lease from that title which should detail all wigan rl's leasehold interests in the JJB stadium. This can be done for a fee of £20

unfortunately though i dont think it will help or would have requested these myself.....I would expect there is a clause in the lease which lists that in the case of a conflict between wigan rl and wigan l@t1cs, the stadium managment company shall make the casting decision (ie. w@nk3r whelan). Therefore i suspect we are scupperd

We KNOW that clause is in the lease.
It was the only thing they did agree on last week.

The point is this - and there is always the chance that something may be discovered that makes a difference, no matter how unlikely - The key word to this are...

"CLASH OF FIXTURES"

It would seem that the power Mr. Whelan has is that he gets to decide if there is a clash before he has the power to decide we can't play.
Who knows maybe somewhere buried in the minutes of a council meeting this may just have been brought up and discussed.
They might even have had the sence to have decided just what a fixture clash was going to be defined as.

You see, to me and to the vast majority of people, Friday night is not Saturday afternoon. THERE WAS NO FIXTURE CLASH.

If someone turns up something where this has been discussed we might have something to challenge. But as for the rest of it I can't se what difference it would make.
Keep digging and prove me wrong - PLEASE!

What exactly are you doing this for? (Not being critical)

Is it to see if Wigan Warriors could (if we wanted too) have our own stadium? Or to see if Dave "W*nker" Whelan was going against the ground-sharing agreement when he evicted us to Widnes?

Which is what the Premier League and the RFL work together on to avoid having Premiership and RL, or any other sport for that matter, matches being played on the same day at the same venue.

So we have all the facts. So we know EXACTLY what the status of the ground share is , and what is conditional upon it.

Only when we have all the information can we establish the what nexts...

This search has nothing to do with the clause in the lease. This is to do with the premise that planning permission was granted on and whether the lease itself and the interpretation of the lease reflects that premise.

I hope something of use is turned up but I just can't see it.
Remember it was going ahead without us.
Presumably he was using Orrell at the time to fulfill his joint use premise.
the only relevant thing to our future use of the stadium is that clause I would have thought. It is what gives the stadium management company i.e. Whelan his power.

If something turns up great.
I am not knocking the effort or the sentiment behind it.

Right, now I understand.

I just hope this quest answers questions rather than causes them.

Good Luck

Ok, I have had the planning meeting minutes, at which the Stadium was approved.

The application was made by Alfred McAlpine Special Projects, and Whelco II Ltd, and was approved on 4/11/1997.

There is nothing of any relevance in there. In fact there is no reference at all to football or rugby.

Awaiting the other information requested.

I will scan the doc tomorrow, so if anyone wants a copy, PM me.

OK, further update.

The planning minutes would not necessarily have the relevant conditions we are trying to locate. So, I have been back in touch with planning, and need to request a copy of the Planning Officer's report to the committee.

I also have spoken to Legal, and the person who dealt with the Council funding is on holiday, it may have been the funding that was conditional on use- so I need to put a further request in writing, and to make sure all the ends are tied up, I need to contact Finance Dept for their report on the deal.

3 letters winging their way to Wigan Council as we speak.

I also notice that my counsellor (ex now I think) - Alf Robinson, declared an interest, and excused himself from the vote, so I am just about to drop him an e-mail, hoping he may be able to shed some light on the situation.

Quote ="Donna"OK, further update. The planning minutes would not necessarily have the relevant conditions we are trying to locate. So, I have been back in touch with planning, and need to request a copy of the Planning Officer's report to the committee. I also have spoken to Legal, and the person who dealt with the Council funding is on holiday, it may have been the funding that was conditional on use- so I need to put a further request in writing, and to make sure all the ends are tied up, I need to contact Finance Dept for their report on the deal. 3 letters winging their way to Wigan Council as we speak. I also notice that my counsellor (ex now I think) - Alf Robinson, declared an interest, and excused himself from the vote, so I am just about to drop him an e-mail, hoping he may be able to shed some light on the situation.'" definitely ex...........he retired earlier this year when he turned 90 www.wigantoday.net/wiganworld/It ... 3946674.jp

Quote ="Donna"OK, further update. The planning minutes would not necessarily have the relevant conditions we are trying to locate. So, I have been back in touch with planning, and need to request a copy of the Planning Officer's report to the committee. I also have spoken to Legal, and the person who dealt with the Council funding is on holiday, it may have been the funding that was conditional on use- so I need to put a further request in writing, and to make sure all the ends are tied up, I need to contact Finance Dept for their report on the deal. 3 letters winging their way to Wigan Council as we speak. I also notice that my counsellor (ex now I think) - Alf Robinson, declared an interest, and excused himself from the vote, so I am just about to drop him an e-mail, hoping he may be able to shed some light on the situation.'" definitely ex...........he retired earlier this year when he turned 90 www.wigantoday.net/wiganworld/It ... 3946674.jp

Quote ="wigan pie man"definitely ex...........he retired earlier this year when he turned 90 www.wigantoday.net/wiganworld/It ... 3946674.jp'" Thought so, he's still alive and kicking, and lives 2 streets away from me. I will write to him, see if he can give us any info.

Quote ="wigan pie man"definitely ex...........he retired earlier this year when he turned 90 www.wigantoday.net/wiganworld/It ... 3946674.jp'" Thought so, he's still alive and kicking, and lives 2 streets away from me. I will write to him, see if he can give us any info.

I've cleaned this up and put the bickering about Whelan in a seperate thread.

Lets try and keep this one on track.

OK, rather than send different letters I have sent a request under the Freedom of Information act requesting the following:

Details required are as follows:

1. A copy of the Planning Officers report to the planning committee, case ref A/47590/97. Any planning minutes where permission/conditions on build, for the JJB were discussed.

2. From Planning, any details of discussions/decision taken in the last 12 months with regards to the proposed ground share at Leigh Sporting Village between Wigan RLFC and Leigh RLFC, and any details/discussions that may have taken place in departments other than planning, with regards to this.

3. Details from Finance Department, detailing any funding provided by Wigan Council for the build of the JJB or the purchase of Land, and any covenants/conditions applied to that funding. Especially conditions of use. Also copies of any relevant correspondence.

4. Details from Legal regarding any contract/correspondence with regards to the Council's role in the purchase/build of the JJB, and any conditions relating to that involvement.

5. Any correspondence between any Wigan Council Department, and Whelco, Whelco II, The Stadium Company, Dave Whelan, Maurice Lindsay, Ian Lenaghan, and any subsidiary of Whelco, relating to the JJB stadium, and or Wigan RLFC.

6. Details of any 3rd party organisations involved in providing grants for the purchase/build of the JJB stadium.

I have had a phone call from the relevant dept, advising that they have begun compiling the documents, and have contacted the relevant people in each department.

We have friends in useful places is all I can say at this point.

WRT item 2, there have been NO council discussions regarding this, although as was explained to me this does not mean that IL, and the Chairman of Leigh have not had conversations about using the Sporting Village, should last weeks issue raise it's ugly head again.

For the record, Leigh Sporting Village is in the ownership/control of the Local Authority, the JJB is not. Wigan Council, however, may have a small number of shares in Whelco. That will be confirmed to me in writing if that is the case.

I should expect a written reply/correspondence within 20 working days.

I will let you have the info as it comes through.

Great work, well done and hope its all worthwhile

Absolutely brilliant work Donna and well done.

Good work Donna !

I am deeply interested in this thread.

Wasnt this date way before the idea of a dual-purpose stadium was mooted? I'm not 100% but wasnt this before Whelan even got involved with Wigan RLFC? If both answers are "Yes", then it suggests to me that he was sorting out a football ground, and only got the rugby in on the act once he'd bought the club for a song from Robinson.

May well be. I have asked for ALL planning docs relating to the JJB to make sure.

As an aside,, I have been to walkabout tonight, and started chatting to one of the groundsmen from the JJB. He told me it takes no more than 4 hours to turnaround the ground and the concourse.

They groundsmen were EXPECTING to work to turn the ground around last week, but were told they were not needed!

What a f[iu[/icking joke.

BTW, you are now called Detective D.

I've been called worse

I think all that does is confirm what everyone suspected. Uncle Dave is an @rsewipe.