Fair enough, I probably should have changed to "numerous"

There are a few on here and it seems on social media, the majority of Wigan fans that reply to threads whenever he is mentioned also say the same.

Come on Stu, you are starting to get a little bitter after our recent success, it's only a game mate! Who are all these fans who think Welsby is over-rated? Any chance of listing them? The true test for our guys is whether they can perform in the NRL. Williams and Bateman did it we shall have to see if those that follow can.

I don't think people think he is over-rated, I think the issue is how he has become a bit of a hype machine for Sky (maybe others) who seem to over promote him compared to other similar/better players at different clubs.

Nobody can deny his quality.

It’s all about the baseline of what Stu wants his rating to be. If he wants it to be that he’s head and shoulders the best player in Superleague, than many people won’t agree and will say he’s overrated but if Stu says he’s one of the best few players in Superleague and people still say that’s overrating him, then I think they’re wrong because he definitely is.

When people use the term "over-rated", usually thats all they say. They don't quantify it against a baseline, they just usually say Player x is over-rated.

I think he's a potential superstar given his age. He's far from the finished article so his ceiling is higher. Going over old ground again but I think some of the negative comments stem from the fact he's a Wigan lad.

He's not far and away the best player in SL as I had no complaints with French winning MOS.

I also think the hype is more to do with the fact he's English so Sky jump on that.

Anyway my Welsby initial comment was a throwaway one liner

The main part was asking NSW about the podcast

Agree with all that. The potential superstar bit will need two things IMO- 1-A move to stand off and 2-a move to the NRL and for him to crack in over there.

When do people think we'll get some movement/updates on who is staying and leaving?

When England are out of the RU world cup

This weekend then!

3rd place game is next weekend, annoyingly.

I think most Wigan fans have the same idea; Welsby is a very good player, but we wouldn't swap him for any of ours.

This

I think most people recognise Welsby as a great player.

As opposition fans we have the usual irritation when a top quality opposition player being constantly talked about as if the sun shines from his ar*e. I think that's where most of the animosity comes from.

Would any of us swap him for Bevan or Jai - no.

Would any Saints fans want a swap the other way ? I doubt it. Both understandable positions.

On a side note I thought Jai's influence on attacking down the flanks at the GF was vastly underrated. Pretty much every break was due to his pace or how scared Catalan were of his pace.

Welsby will get big offers from NRL in the very near future - probably more likely than Bevan or Jai getting tempted back due to a) age and b) build. Interesting to see how he would cut it there.

I do think he needs to move to 6 though to get the best from him.

Genuine question - why do we think Welsby needs to move to 6 to be successful in the NRL?

Granted there are some live wire 1's out there , but there are also guys like Mitchell, Edwards etc.

I think moving to half will provide him with his best opportunity of success in the NRL.

Most NRL fullbacks tend to be athletic freaks either by size, or athletic gifts, sometimes both. I do think he’s a very good 1 but the competition out there is next level for fullbacks, especially now it seems players like Crichton and Farnworth are dropping back there next season too.

At the other end of the spectrum the NRL are desperate for halves so it is probably a better bet for him if he is to make it out there.

Samy Kibula signed for Castleford, last chance saloon ?

Like so many props. Has the frame but not the mental attributes to go with it. Doesn't run his weight i suppose i am trying to say. He falls into the Joe Greenwood, Dan Norman mould. That might change as he gets a bit older and braver but i don't think he will ever make it and is lucky to have a Super League side seemingly hell bent on turning themselves into a Championship one with their signings.

It’s now obvious that Smithies is going to Canberra but no official announcement from either club . This suggests to me that Wigan are waiting until England RU are out of the World Cup so they can announce Owen Farrell to soften the blow . I really hope this is case . Farrell would be a tremendous asset despite his age

What is happening to Reece Walsh?

He was unreal in the semi and final.

Or that Wigan knew the deal was likely to go through and got Luke Thompson in?

He'll stay at full back. Farnworth is moving to the Dolphins

Farnworth's going to the Dolphins

Yeah it’s a good listen Stu, in season it’s normally on a Thursday.

If you like the first half of NRL360 it’s much like that, just Journos chatting.

I love the Aussie Journos how they know so much about what’s going on behind the scenes. Buzz Rothfield is on it during the season and he cracks me up!

Cheers. Funnily enough I've just finished it this morning, I've subscribed now so will listen going forwards.

Yeah Buzz and Anasta have a bit of a love/hate relationship going on with NRL 360 but its good entertainment.