That is clear.

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Please quote any Wigan fan that's said Wigan deserve to be then since losing to saints?

No doubt you'll just disappear again.

Although the system has benifited us (Leeds) this year I do prefer the older format than the top 8. But I suppose with no religation it is designed to keep interest up. That said I won't be embarrassed if we won it from 5th (big if I know).

yeah i agree with you.

Think it was more than 18 pages last year. And everyone accused us of only discussing cos we finished top.

This is nothing to do with Wigan. Its about the best team of the season getting what they deserve. We finished 2nd so their is no way we deserve to be champs.

Good job you don't have to be the best team of the season to win Super League, Leeds would only have been champions twice.

Do the champions win the title without beating the current champs, and get 3 attempts to do so? Well done Leeds, but the system is seriously flawed.

what do you mean get 3 attempts to do so?

I thought that too. Have i missed 2 GF's this year already before tonights?

Everyone knows the rules of the competition before the season starts.

Get over it.

Best thing about tonight is it shows that just hang in there and you can still win it. Leeds being so first half of year then the amount of people writing them off has helped them do some soul searching and prove their doubters wrong.

Great achievment to win it from 5th imo.

I remember some one saying a couple of years ago "the salary cap is now working and evening things up,its only a matter of time before a teams wins from 6th".I never expected that ,even at Wembley I thought its Wigan we raise our game against Wigan,but not taking owt away from Brian MAC this team gets its head together this time of year there is something about this group.they are not getting any younger,but I read JPs book on the evening before the 2007 GF they sat together and asked each other "why do we want this trophy?"

It was certainly a final befitting the 3rd and 5th best teams in the league.

Who finish the season as Champions and Runners Up.

Wigan, Warrington et al finished the season as also rans

final top 4 sl standings are
1 rhinos
2 saints
3 wolves
4 warriors
although these standings will never be published,but the money will be handed out accordingley

The salary cap has evened things up? To allow the second best supported and arguably the richest club in SL to win the GF? Please explain.

We get some ridiculous propaganda for the salary cap on this board, but this is truly extraordinary...

but you have not averaged 17,600 have you?and there has been no special offers to build up the home attendance.You have'nt had 18- 1900 for teams like Wakefield and Salford have you?You have had to rely on the "big one".You are doing well ,and you have the new kid on the block status,you have not arrived yet,but maybe someday.

You're in an ever shrinking minority I'm afraid Deano. Looks like you've lost your crusade

We didnt "win it from 5th" though did we. We "finished" in the top spot.







Its where you finish that counts. The rest is just the preliminaries.

First off, I agree that more of a fuss should be made over the League Leaders. For too long the trophy hasn't been viewed in the same way as the Challenge Cup and Super League Grand Final winners, and it should - well done Warrington, for the excellent show this season.

Now though I do have a question for those of you saying the League Leaders are the 'Champions'. If the final had been Wigan vs. Warrington - or anyone, for that matter, with Wigan winning, would you all have said they should have allowed Wire to stand in front of the board that says 'Champions 2011' because Wigan hadn't been true champions? Has that been said by any of you when the league leaders haven't won the Grand Final previously? And, if you have such a big problem with someone out of the Top 2 winning the final, why do we even bother with having a play-off system?

Personally, regardless of the team I support, I think it's great that a team from so low down can win the final. It shows that there is real competition in the league and would be pretty boring if it was so predictable each year. I'm sure you as Wigan fans would have been ecstatic had you won from 5th in previous years. Warrington and Wigan may have been the most reliable teams this season for winning in the league, but Leeds and Saints just wanted the Final more and made a stronger push for it that the others didn't.

For the 7,450 time! this debate has been done for the past few seasons at least and even last year when we finished top so you can pack it in with the what if it was Wigan crap.

league champions
premiership winners

simple.