Here endeth the lesson.

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We're ing ourselves laughing that a thread that was flagged up on Southstander as Pie fans having a major hissy fit, has stretched to 19 friggin' pages!

Now that is a bad case of paranoia.

Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Latest from El Presidente: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ja ... -wrestling'" If "latest" is 4 days ago and the same comments that started this thread.

Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Latest from El Presidente: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ja ... -wrestling'" If "latest" is 4 days ago and the same comments that started this thread.

Those of us who aren't interested in going on Southstander - even once in blue moon, never mind as often as you come on here - will need to take your word for it.

Well, i know for a fact you are incorrect with regards to the financial priorities, the funding for the southstand regeneration is ring-fenced through a few different funding sources and grants outside of the clubs normal revenue streams.

Im not at all underwhelmed by Brian McDermotts appointment. It seems SL fans see only the underlings of Australian Head Coaches as worthwhile. Many people were underwhelmed with Tony Smiths appointment

As for the 'age and effectiveness of key players' Sinfield and Mcguire had great years last year, they are the two most influential players at Leeds and Mcguire was imo comfortably the best S-O in the league last year and had his best season for a long while, Cross has been brought in to cover for the very talented but injury prone Eastwood will take a lot of work off Peacock. 'Age and effectiveness' was the same issue thrown about in 2006 at the likes of Lauitiiti, Senior, Peacock et al, all came good again.

Gary Hetherington comes off as abit of an idiot to be honest. TO ALL LEEDS FANS DEFENCES WIN RUGBY LEAGUE GAMES ASWELL AS ATTACK !!!!!! You seem years away from us with your coaching set up, Current squad,youth acadamys just admit your run has come to an end and wigan are back P.S what will you leeds fans be doing on feb 27th because we will be watching the 2 best teams in the world.

Settle down princess. This may come as a wee bit of a surprise to you, but for the last 10 years Wigan RL has been a bit of a joke. Remember the 70 nil tonking in the summer of 2005? That's the level of amusement you provided at Headingley. As far as the modern game, since the turn of the century it's been Leeds, Saints and Bradford. You simply were there to make up the numbers, and were not successful enough to generate any ill feeling. In fact, more comment was made when you lobbed a bog brush onto the pitch!

You took everybody by surprise last season, and played some crackin' rugby, and may well be in for a golden spell yourselves. Until you do though, all this "we are so good, everyone hates us" is a tad embarassing, and will doubtless provide us with many pish taking opportunies next season.

Super League meetings summary

Wigan won 18 Leeds 16 with 3 Draws

SL play-offs: Wigan won 5 Leeds won 3

Wigan’s highest score: Wigan 68 v Leeds 14 … 1996

Leeds’s highest score: Leeds 70 v Wigan 0 … 2005

May not have been successful but still proved a handful for the mighty Leeds.

Well if Leeds don't spend any time, money, or other resources on the ground upgrade from their normal revenue streams, they'll be the first club in history to do so. Paying for the capital costs is one thing, it's all the other crapola that comes with these projects that will effect the day-to-day bottom line.

Good luck if you think Brian McDermott is the answer to your coaching position.

Peacock, Senior, Buderus, Lauititi will all be a year older and more prove to injury (as well as retiring sooner), add in the fact your best hooker went and a less than sparkling set of youngsters coming through to take up the slack, and I'd be worried if I was a Leeds fan.

Like what? the loss of revenue from ticket sales is limited as the time chosen to rebuild will have minimal impact on Leeds season, there are additional revenue streams (as well as grants) that otherwise wouldnt be applicable than for the rebuild. Not to mention the company doing the rebuild being own by a certain Mr Caddick
Yeah, as I said, some RL fans only recognise the underlings of Australian coaches.

Are you falling for Rogues myth? Leeds have a great set of youngsters coming through, Surprisingly they have Props like Ambler, Pitts and Burgess, second rower in Clarkson, Stewart, Singleton, a Centre in Watkins, and a hooker in not only McShane but Liam Hood. Its almost like it was planned.

Very average youngsters and id hardly call burgess a youngster also mcshane is awfull looks three stone over weight

None of which would get into the Wigan team. Well, maybe Burgess.

Didnt they all play yesterday and get turned over by Fev???

Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Latest from El Presidente: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ja ... -wrestling'" As I put on your forum. If hes so against it why as it taken him till Leeds winning nowt to demand it be cleaned up?? Think Wigan would welcome a quicker play the ball would suit our play!

Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Latest from El Presidente: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ja ... -wrestling'" As I put on your forum. If hes so against it why as it taken him till Leeds winning nowt to demand it be cleaned up?? Think Wigan would welcome a quicker play the ball would suit our play!

Did I say "we are so good, everyone hates us"?

I said, it doesn't matter if we are good/bad/indifferent, this site will always have the largest number of non-local traffic running through it. A Large number of which "Think" there on here winding us up when in fact the vast majority of us couldn't give a T055 what they think and in fact we're the ones who actually think They are quite funny!
Trust me, the 70-0 blip at the hands of Leeds was taken very seriously over here and I'm sure it provided yourselves with lots of amusement.
I just think you don't understand how the recent Whinging and complaining from Leeds is giving us quite a bit of light relief also!


As earlier poster says, Why has Gary taken until now to decide that Wrestling techniques are ruining the game?
Why, if it is a thinly veiled attack at Bluey, did he employ him?
Why did he extend his contract?
Why did he not bring up this concern of his earlier when his own team were sitting pretty as Champions?

If he had taken a nice little Moral Stance earlier, got rid of Bluey, and mentioned he wanted so called wrestling (We call it tackling in Wigan, we don't play Tag or tick & pass) techniques etc out of the game he amy have retained a bit of credence.

As it is it sounds like what it is, Cry Baby, Dummy Spitting, Whinging waffle!

You may or not believe this, but halfway through last season I posted that the single most impressive thing I'd seen regarding Wigan last year was that in spite of lots of issues regarding criticism from coaches/administrators etc they'd said Nothing! And came out with a lot of credit for that.

Seems like Leeds want to go a different way? That's up to them, good luck to em!

End of the day only 1 thing matters, Winners are grinners - Losers can make their own arrangements!

Yeah, that kind of proves the point. I find it hilarious that some of them are still dining out on the 70-0 thing. It's no more relevant now than our 69-12 tonking of them in the Premiership Final in 1995. Now THAT was pi22-taking exercise.

If Leeds do the build in the off-season it'll be the quickest stadium redevelopment in the history of construction. There's a host of other costs associated with any of these projects that will be a call on Leeds revenue resources, including financial, legal and project management expertise, along with the affect on to-day-to operations. Anybody who thinks a building project of the scale proposed won't affect revenue in a number of different ways is naive in the extreme. That's before the impact of public sector cuts might have on the implications on the grants for capital costs.

I don't know why you keep using the fact McDermott is not from overseas as some kind of comfort blanket. My assessment of McDermott is based on his SL coaching performance so far, not his nationality - underwhelming would be my description.

The fact of how Leeds youngster have done over the past few seasons against their peers is the best benchmark - again the word underwhelming springs to mind.

Leeds have beaten us in 4 super league play-off games.

2004
2007
2008
2010

First 3 final eliminator. 4th one is Maguires freak injury caused by the Wigan team.

Apparantly 2010 was a freak year and all results from said season should be removed from the record books...



(or I just used the stats from 2009 and forgot to add the play off result)

Yes I do but these stack up a little better.

semi Final play off v Leeds Home Won 74-06 (Offiah 10 tries)
Challenge Cup Final v Leeds Wembley Won 26-16
Challenge Cup Final v Leeds Wembley Won 30-10
Play Off Trophy Final v Leeds MUFC Won 69-12

Sorry meant the end of the 70's.
Right through the end of the 90's.

Why would the day to day operation of the club be affected by the rebuilding of southstand, it is nowhere near the offices or shops, which are based at the other side? Why would project Management, legal and financial expertise affect revenue? Im pretty sure that Paul Caddick with his near half a billion pound construction empire wont be struggling for project management expertise for a building project of this size.

As i said, the capital costs are ring-fenced as from new revenue streams and grants (the RFU rather than the public sector) which are being put in place purely to raise the funds for it.

Ahh, yes, judging him on his work with the cheapest squad in the league. Thats obviously a good indicator.

you mean how the likes of Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts, have played first team and won GFs, LSS, and appeared in CC finals rather than winning pointless youth trophies?

And just to confirm my "naive" comment. It has nothing to do with where the construction is, it's to do with the non-capital costs associated with it that the club will have to pick-up, aside from the loss due to reduced attendances.

Even the Quins fans were underwhelmed by McDermott and seemed to be happy to get rid, and they are one of the most grounded set of supporters in terms of expectations. I'm sure you'll be able to show us the fact that Quins have the cheapest squad in the league. Plenty of other coaches have done better with similar squads.

Is that the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who got tonked by Fev? Or the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who haven't shown anything against their peers over the last few years? Just because some are first team regulars doesn't mean they are anywhere near as good as previous players through the Leeds ranks - hence my original point.