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| Quote ="Steinlager"Actually you don't quite get it. My post was made prior to the Lockyer post being merged into here, and had nothing to do with that particular rumour.'"
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| I like most other sane Wigan fans would support a move for Lockyer - but as far as I can tell this is a rumour that as yet has absolutely no substance.
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| to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.
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Positions that are dominated by Aussies and are crucial for us develop as a national team, eg 6 and 7 for a 5 year cycle meaning if we have an overseas player in either of those positions they count as 2 players towards the non federation trained quota. Drastic measures are called upon if we are to ever advance as a sport regards developing young players.
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32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
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17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
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32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
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17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
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| I doubt a prop will be signed next season, if a deal was to be done I'd expect it through the course of this season.
By next season I'd say Prekky and Eamon should be experienced enough to hold their own weekly in SL, allowing Ben Davies to come into the first team more.
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| I think Roberts will be our long term fullback tbh, he wasnt even supposed to be here this year but became available so maybe he is a replacement for mathers:
Roberts
Pryce
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins/New Signing (think Smith will go back)
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
New Signing
Hansen
Tomkins
O'Loughlin
Hock
Feka
McIlorum
O'Carroll
Prescott
Ainscough
Mossop
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Quote ="kirkamania6"32 actually
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
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I think the first team there is an option, as we could sign a new half-back to partner Tomkins and have LeuLuai at hooker.
When does Fieldens contract run out? I am not certain he will be rewarded with a new one unless he takes a pay cut.
Is Carmont likely to be here next year as well?
We need some really good signings for next season, other wise we will stay as an average team who just has a good play-off series at the end of the season.
We need to make signings for next season during this summer, but I worry that if Noble does not get a new contract at the end of this season, then the new coach would not have chosen his own players. We need to be aiming high for players but I dont think we should be looking overseas for the forwards at all. We need the overseas class in the backs.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Orford
I think Orford or someone of his calibre (eg Cooper Cronk-just using him as an example) would be perfect for us next season as it would allow us to use Leuluai as a 2nd hooker and it is also likely Smith will go back to the NRL
Also one of either Karmichael Hunt or Anthony Minichello would be fantastic but it is unlikely so we will probably see Roberts at full back with Pryce on the wing and Goulding inside him
A top class prop is an absolute must, there are quite a few good props off contract at the end of 09 but I think the idea of FuiFui MoiMoi and Feka rotating evry 20 minutes is frighteningly good. Luke Bailey or Andy Lynch would also be fantastic if we couldn't get FuiFui.
I think our starting line up next season depends an awful lot of the development of Shaun Ainscough and Sam Tomkins. If they get a decent amount of games and do well we could well see them in our 17 permanently next season but with the way Noble is bringing them through this also looks very unlikely
So ideally the team for 2010 would be
1. Hunt
2. Roberts
3. Pryce
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. S. Tomkins
7. Orford
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. FuiFui
11. Hansen
12. Lockers
13. J. Tomkins
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Tommy
17. Hock
Reserves: Mossop, Ainscough, Farrell, Prescott/Eamon etc
But it is more likely to be
1. Roberts
2. Pryce
3. Goulding
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Smith/?
7. Tommy
8. Fielden
9. Piggy
10. New Prop/Prescott/Eamon
11. Hansen
12. Tomkins
13. Lockers
14. Feka
15. Prescott/Eamon
16. Hock
17. McIlorum/S. Tomkins
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I think the first team there is an option, as we could sign a new half-back to partner Tomkins and have LeuLuai at hooker.
When does Fieldens contract run out? I am not certain he will be rewarded with a new one unless he takes a pay cut.
Is Carmont likely to be here next year as well?
We need some really good signings for next season, other wise we will stay as an average team who just has a good play-off series at the end of the season.
We need to make signings for next season during this summer, but I worry that if Noble does not get a new contract at the end of this season, then the new coach would not have chosen his own players. We need to be aiming high for players but I dont think we should be looking overseas for the forwards at all. We need the overseas class in the backs.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you think there maybe a slight problem in that you are over the quota for overseas players?'"
And the fact Moi Moi has been inside and had more than 1 or 2 run ins with the law so i do not expect him to be getting a visa anytime soon.
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| Quote ="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
I saw ratchford a couple of times last season..he looked very useful.....but he's not an aussie or overseas player..so Noble won't be interested.
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| Quote ="jonh"And the fact Moi Moi has been inside and had more than 1 or 2 run ins with the law so i do not expect him to be getting a visa anytime soon.'"
only a problem for other SL teams, not Wigan
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| Quote ="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
Stef's a good player but has yet to break into the first team at Salford let alone establish himself at Super League.
The same goes for Myler, by all means he is a very good prospect but he has to show consistant form before being considered a top Super League player.
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| Quote ="EVERTON1"to all off you wigan fans who want myler how many games have you seen this lad play.i am a salford fan and have seen him 1 st hand excellent in nl1 last year albeit against very poor oppostition apart from celtic.in 2 games against super league oppostion not that good against hull kr a wigan lad called stefan ratchford changed the game and now cant get in the team if you want a half back to play alongside tomkins go for this lad because in my opion mcrae doesny like stefan.he also tore k eastmond apart for the 21s on sunday.'"
Myler & Ratchford are better off where they are, they will develop and will be allowed to develop at the right rate far more so than at Wigan. I doubt our current set up would have had the vision or balls to promote either at the rate they have been had they been with us. Huntey has done a cracking job for Salford. We are speculating about bringing in an 18 year old when we struggle to find a place in the 17 for our home grown Tomkins et al, a bit embarrassing really.
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Correct it must be a done deal, infact maybe he will play against Castleford on friday night.
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| We are doing as much as any SL club to give youth players a chance.
Last weekend we have seven Wigan academy players in the 17.
Goulding, O'Carroll, McIlorum, Hock, Hansen, O'Loughlin, Tomkins.
Saints had 6 in their 17 and Wire 5 in theirs.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"We are doing as much as any SL club to give youth players a chance.
Last weekend we have seven Wigan academy players in the 17.
Goulding, O'Carroll, McIlorum, Hock, Hansen, O'Loughlin, Tomkins.
Saints had 6 in their 17 and Wire 5 in theirs.'"
But unfortunately the anti-Wigan bandwagon will roll on as long as we keep giving them ammunition to fire at us.
The likes of Goulding, O'Carroll, McIlorum, Hock, Lockers, Joel Tomkins, Prescott, etc, are conveniently forgotten by the 'Wigan don't develop their own any more' crowd. And will continue to be so long as high profile youngsters - I'm thinking specifically of Ainscough and Sam Tomkins - languish in the reserves.
It doesn't always help that some of these kids have their own unofficial spokesmen, who stir things up and muddy the waters. Nickey Stanton appeared to be a good example of that. People were forever promoting him and expressing disgust when he wasn't selected, and yet, when he finally did depart, there were no SL takers. But that said, it's easy to understand the frustration of home-grown 20-year-olds, who probably want nothing more than to wear the cherry and white, when the likes of Phelps and Bailey, who are of only moderate talent and don't seem to know what it means to represent Wigan, keep getting selected ahead of them.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"we have poeple in the forwards for that (locky?), no need to sign another foreigner'"
We don't.
O'loughlin I like as a captain but he isn't quite the caliber of leader I was talking about plus he needs experienced players along side him.
Trent Barrett has said it was the quietest dressing room he'd ever been involved in and at Wakefield did it look like we had a leader? Or a player with a rugby league brain?
Take Brad Drew for example he has a rugby league brain on him. Good kicking game, exploited that left hand side in the first half & just kept things simple. It's something you can't coach. It's instinct. We don't have any players with this.
We're a young team with desperate need of experience and leadership. Richie Myler is a promising lad but he hasn't established himself in super league yet and we have a young enough team as it is. I don't think he's the answer.
There's nothing wrong with signing aussies as along as they're of the right caliber and will bring something to the team that no englishman will.
To get my point across a bit better have a look at the 2002 Wigan squad
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We had experience right across the park and people with a rugby league brain. Radlinski,Dallas,Connolly,O'Neil,Lam,O'connor,Newton,Smith,Cassidy,Furner,Farrell
Compare that to the side we have today and you can name one - Sean O'loughlin? Maybe Fielden and Bailey but that's it.
We have a talented young team but it needs experience and leadership to help us out when times are tough (Wakefield game) and when at certain points in the game we should be doing certain things. Like at the Wakefield game, 10 minutes to go, 6 points down, we walk to the scrum instead of running to stop the clock.
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However, it does go onto to say ''Brian Noble was seen at Wheldon Road to watch him play on Sunday.'' which I presume is the source of the speculation.
Just a co-incedence that we play Castleford on Sunday, eh?
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"There an article in todays Express suggesting Wigan have renewed intrest in Ryan McGoldrick.
However, it does go onto to say ''Brian Noble was seen at Wheldon Road to watch him play on Sunday.'' which I presume is the source of the speculation.
Just a co-incedence that we play Castleford on Sunday, eh?
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I'd despair if we signed McGoldrick. I know the story is probably bull but it worries me all the same.
We have 4 or 5 youngsters crying out for a chance before we go signing another average Australian.
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| Noble would be at Castleford to watch the game and their squad rather than McGoldrick.
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Trent Barrett has said it was the quietest dressing room he'd ever been involved in and at Wakefield did it look like we had a leader? Or a player with a rugby league brain?
Take Brad Drew for example he has a rugby league brain on him. Good kicking game, exploited that left hand side in the first half & just kept things simple. It's something you can't coach. It's instinct. We don't have any players with this.
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I believe McGoldrick had a very good game for Castleford as well.
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