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| Quote ="thesaint62"What was wrong with the Welsby try?.'"
I think it's the LMS knock on that was missed he's referring to.
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| Unless I missed them there were no in goal touch judges.
I found this very strange as there were a few calls throughout the day which would have been assisted by another set of eyes.
I’m assuming this was because all teams had the screen, however there were a few 50/50 calls in the lead up to tries where an in goal touch judge would have been useful and in a good position to provide some valid input.
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| Quote ="jonh"Unless I missed them there were no in goal touch judges.
I found this very strange as there were a few calls throughout the day which would have been assisted by another set of eyes.
I’m assuming this was because all teams had the screen, however there were a few 50/50 calls in the lead up to tries where an in goal touch judge would have been useful and in a good position to provide some valid input.'"
They don't use them with a VR, but it seems strange not to have as many eyes as possible. You can still use the technology (not that it seems to matter) but maybe refs wouldn't be so reliant on it if they had that little bit more help.
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| Quote ="thesaint62"What was wrong with the Welsby try?.'"
LMS knocked Batemans offload on. Incredible it wasn’t checked tbh. I saw Ian Smith trying to say it went backwards on social media, which was pushing ‘backing your mates’ too far. LMS hand goes forward in to the ball as he’s falling and he dives past where it lands but it’s absolutely a knock on.
I’m not sure it alters the result mins. The better side won on the day and Saints got what I felt they deserved over the 80 minutes.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"LMS knocked Batemans offload on. Incredible it wasn’t checked tbh. I saw Ian Smith trying to say it went backwards on social media, which was pushing ‘backing your mates’ too far. LMS hand goes forward in to the ball as he’s falling and he dives past where it lands but it’s absolutely a knock on.
I’m not sure it alters the result mins. The better side won on the day and Saints got what I felt they deserved over the 80 minutes.'"
I've not watched the game back, but on the day Bateman was going nuts at the ref and pointing back to the play. He must have been asking him to check something. The ref just shook his head and said no.
Like I've been saying for years, they couldn't care less about getting it right. They are their for their own egos and benefit. The sooner SL bring in a captain's challenge the better. We need to take as much power off them as possible.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I've not watched the game back, but on the day Bateman was going nuts at the ref and pointing back to the play. He must have been asking him to check something. The ref just shook his head and said no.
Like I've been saying for years, they couldn't care less about getting it right. They are their for their own egos and benefit. The sooner SL bring in a captain's challenge the better. We need to take as much power off them as possible.'"
Field asked him to check as did another player I think. Can't believe they didn't.
It's one of those things though. We complain when refs don't make decisions and use the screen constantly, but at the same time I feel like if the technology is there then use it. Perhaps the NRL method of the bunker checking every try (they do this in RU also) before the kick is taken would be another benefit. Ref awards the try, but then the VR checks over the last play and pulls up anything they consider an issue.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I've not watched the game back, but on the day Bateman was going nuts at the ref and pointing back to the play. He must have been asking him to check something. The ref just shook his head and said no.
Like I've been saying for years, they couldn't care less about getting it right. They are their for their own egos and benefit. The sooner SL bring in a captain's challenge the better. We need to take as much power off them as possible.'"
One thing I will add is that it probably would’ve been pointless them checking it. He’d clearly have sent it up as a try and they wouldn’t have turned it over because it’s one of those where they’d go ‘I’ve not enough evidence to turn it over’ even though everyone can see the outcome. Much like the refereeing and disciplinary system needing a complete overhaul, so does the system for sending up potential try’s for checks with decisions already attached. The captains challenge might be worth it but I have no confidence that they wouldn’t back their mates there as well. That seems to happen in the NRL from the bits I’ve seen.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"I think it's the LMS knock on that was missed he's referring to.'"
Will have to have another look did notice Field asking about a knock but assumed he meant Welsby
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"I think it's the LMS knock on that was missed he's referring to.'"
No knock on for but the pass from Welsby to Bachelor for his try looked forward
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| Quote ="thesaint62"No knock on for but the pass from Welsby to Bachelor for his try looked forward'"
Hits his hand. No different to when a pass is touched in flight when the defender is attempting a tackle.
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| Matautia now free to play on Friday after a successful appeal.
To be fair the more times I’ve seen it in slow motion the more it was a nothing ban in the first place.
Can’t help thinking that the RFL feel they owe Saints after the Catalans game.
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| Just seen the Matuatia one. Shocking decision to ban for that.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Matautia now free to play on Friday after a successful appeal.
To be fair the more times I’ve seen it in slow motion the more it was a nothing ban in the first place.
Can’t help thinking that the RFL feel they owe Saints after the Catalans game.'"
Never a ban.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Just seen the Matuatia one. Shocking decision to ban for that.'"
Just shows how deluded the panel is
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| I just don't get the disciplinary panel. That tackle was looked at by which ever member of the panel was given it to review. He then referred it to the other members of the panel for a decision on charge or not. The panel then look at it again and say, oh no we were wrong. Does that not show the process not fit for purpose.
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| It’s just a mess. No consistency in decisions on the field, in the video refs box or from the disciplinary. Heads need to roll, be that Ganson, Cullen or whoever else is responsible for this utter sh*t show. How do they ban Mautautia for that in the first place? But then decide it gets turned over a day later? Priors 2 games is even more embarrassing than Singleton’s 3!
Worst season I’ve ever known in terms of officiating.
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| OT, but there's plenty that needs to be looked at.
One of the things that pi$$es me off are the 6 again decisions. At one point on Saturday the ref gave us 6 again, on Saints line and we fluffed up the very next play with a knock-on. Now that's not the refs fault, but we'd probably have taken the 2 (would it have been offered) and been pleased about it. When you look at the final score, it makes a difference.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"OT, but there's plenty that needs to be looked at.
One of the things that pi$$es me off are the 6 again decisions. At one point on Saturday the ref gave us 6 again on Saints line and we fluffed up the very next play with a knock-on. Now that's not the refs fault, but we'd probably have taken the 2 (would it have been offered) and been pleased about it. When you look at the final score, it makes a difference.'"
I’ve often thought that maybe the right approach is keep the 6 again / hooter but the team in possession can choose to stop play when the hooter sounds and take a penalty if they so wish.
You still avoid the cynical slowing down of play by having the option to keep rolling, but don’t get the annoyance of a 6 again on tackle 1 when a kick to touch/goal may be better.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I’ve often thought that maybe the right approach is keep the 6 again / hooter but the team in possession can choose to stop play when the hooter sounds and take a penalty if they so wish.
You still avoid the cynical slowing down of play by having the option to keep rolling, but don’t get the annoyance of a 6 again on tackle 1 when a kick to touch/goal may be better.'"
That's a good idea. When you think back to the situation I mentioned above, Saints took the hit of the 6 again and used the extra time to set their defence and rush our next play. It 100% paid off.
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| Yeah, that would be good. Or, at the very least, do as they do in the NRL and give a pen for infringement on the first tackle. But I agree that six again works best in midfield, with momentum. Off your own line, or even camped on your opponents' 20, not so much.
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| If anyone has Wigan TV, I’d urge you to watch Matt Peet’s interview.
He’s spot on; our start was pretty soft and we could have gone after it more in the first 40. We were really poor first half and that’s what cost us the game. Watching it live on Saturday there was a real feeling of malaise watching that first 40; Sts were there for the taking considering the players they were missing.
That being said, the more you here from this Head Coach, the more it makes you believe we’re creating something special. He’s reasoned, measured and clinical in his approach.
The only thing I thought that he missed was that it looks like we’re going like for like with the 17 for Friday with KPP and Ellis. IMO, he got it wrong with changing the team so much from Wakey for the Saints team. I reckon with French at 1, Miski on the wing and Field at 6 we win that game last weekend. Onwards and upwards though!
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"If anyone has Wigan TV, I’d urge you to watch Matt Peet’s interview.
He’s spot on; our start was pretty soft and we could have gone after it more in the first 40. We were really poor first half and that’s what cost us the game. Watching it live on Saturday there was a real feeling of malaise watching that first 40; Sts were there for the taking considering the players they were missing.
That being said, the more you here from this Head Coach, the more it makes you believe we’re creating something special. He’s reasoned, measured and clinical in his approach.
The only thing I thought that he missed was that it looks like we’re going like for like with the 17 for Friday with KPP and Ellis. IMO, he got it wrong with changing the team so much from Wakey for the Saints team. I reckon with French at 1, Miski on the wing and Field at 6 we win that game last weekend. Onwards and upwards though!'"
He’s just always spot on. I loved his point that a win would have masked the poor performance.
Compare that to Lam who was dancing when we scraped 1 point wins against dreadful teams.
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| Just think last year we was no where and now challenge cup winners and second in the league with Matt Peet in charge the improvement has been fantastic at least more or less the same players but just a complete different mindset to the game.
How much improvement will there be next year with a year under his belt,bloody hell if we win the Grand final this year I cant see what else he can do I think we will dominate for a while as we are playing a great brand of rugby and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
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| I was very impressed with his interview after the game on Saturday when I watched it back, same as I was on Good Friday too. He doesn't make excuses, he is honest and he is respectful about the opposition. He doesn't come out with wild claims and seems to be very measured in his approach and in his analysis of games. Basically everything that Lam wasn't. You can't help but like the guy.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I was very impressed with his interview after the game on Saturday when I watched it back, same as I was on Good Friday too. He doesn't make excuses, he is honest and he is respectful about the opposition. He doesn't come out with wild claims and seems to be very measured in his approach and in his analysis of games. Basically everything that Lam wasn't. You can't help but like the guy.'"
The only time he seems to have lost his cool and composure a little was with the Matty Nicholson exit. I get that because youth development has been his career for a long time and I’m sure he had a plan for the lad (and he’ll know we’ve lost a potentially top level player). Other than that he had been exemplary and manages to keep himself together superbly well. He discussed the 3 game ban for Singleton on Wigan TV and even managed to keep a straight face saying he understood it. He did throw in that there’s a consistency issue but I’d have gone to town.
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