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| Quote ="apollosghost"Harvey Hill is well on the way to being a beast of a prop'"
Agreed, I would think that him, Nsemba and Havard in particular will already be very closely monitored by the NRL teams.
It’s very early days and a huge comparison but I’m seeing in style at least a lot of similarities between how Hill plays the game and how Webke went about the game.
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| Really pleasing performance. Field looked more like himself, Wardle is just great to watch, French with some usual genius touches and the forwards went well. Really pleased to see Leeming bounce back, Nsemba was excellent, Brad O’Neill is getting scarier by the week defensively and I’ll echo what’s been said about Harvie Hil, he’s almost going under the radar, especially to the wider Superleague audience but he’s got so much going for him. I’d start him again next week and challenge him to make it hard to leave him out.
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| Completion rate of 93% tonight. When Wigan get anywhere near that number and keep penalties to a minimum they'll be incredibly difficult to beat.
Aside from the early penalties very strong all round. Plenty caught the eye but a word for Liam Farrell with 140m gained.
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| Well played Wigan.
Well deserved and the future overall looks awesome.
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| So are the ref shaggers going to explain how Byrne got sent off and 4 games, but Moylan gets a yellow for a shoulder charge to the head? I know which one of those two shots I'd rather take.
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| I didn’t have issues with the yellow card. I must be watching a different game at time from the ref as the constant pens against us for lying on and not stand square for Leigh to do the same and not get penalised was baffling. Every game so far has seemed the same
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| I had more of an issue with the tip tackle a few minutes earlier that was deemed a mere penalty. Just wow.
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| Quote ="jonh"Agreed, I would think that him, Nsemba and Havard in particular will already be very closely monitored by the NRL teams.
It’s very early days and a huge comparison but I’m seeing in style at least a lot of similarities between how Hill plays the game and how Webke went about the game.'"
The Aussies have already been sniffing around Harvie.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I had more of an issue with the tip tackle a few minutes earlier that was deemed a mere penalty. Just wow.'"
Obviously, spinal injuries no longer count. It's just the head knocks we need to focus on.
FWIW, I don't think the yellow should have been a red. It just highlights how utterly wrong that gimp last week got it.
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| Much better, as every one says, and good to see the young forwards going well. Nsemba and Hill both very good, Mago showed his worth, and Thompson put in his usual big shift. Don't think there was much doubt in who came out the winner in Moylan v French! And yes, every week I think, Wardle is a class act.
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| Quote ="Zig"The Aussies have already been sniffing around Harvie.'"
Its great having squad depth but something may have to give at some stage with the amount of quality young front rowers at Wigan.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Its great having squad depth but something may have to give at some stage with the amount of quality young front rowers at Wigan.'"
Hill has an Aussie agent but hopefully won’t be issue for a while. Him and Junior should replace Cooper and Isa next year.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"So are the ref shaggers going to explain how Byrne got sent off and 4 games, but Moylan gets a yellow for a shoulder charge to the head? I know which one of those two shots I'd rather take.'"
On the subject of poor refereeing, it's a good job the disallowing of the French try didn't mean anything in the end. Two weeks on the bounce now, we've come off worse from one of the two refs overruling the other.
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| Quote ="NSW"Hill has an Aussie agent but hopefully won’t be issue for a while. Him and Junior should replace Cooper and Isa next year.'"
How long is Hill contracted for at Wigan?
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"So are the ref shaggers going to explain how Byrne got sent off and 4 games, but Moylan gets a yellow for a shoulder charge to the head? I know which one of those two shots I'd rather take.'"
The mitigating factor given was that Field rapidly slipped into it, which did happen. The issue is, that it was a shoulder charge by Moylan so any mitigating factors should have been irrelevant and he should have been shown red.
I think Moylan was actually lucky that Field did slip into it, which is a wild thing to have to say and shows the system as flawed.
Can we stop the silly name calling too by chance? So unnecessary and you can get your point across well enough without it.
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| Very pleasing performance. Field's season started last night. Attacked the line and was always looking for that gap. Don't know what's been up with him lately but he looked more like Jai Field last night. Everyone performed well, Isa actually attacked really well but I would have still have Nsemba starting over him. Pretty sure Junior can do an 80 minutes. Only critique I have last night is, I think its time Harry handed the kicking tee over to Keighran. Losing unnecessary points in Smith persevering with the kicking duties.
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| Quote ="Cherry_Warrior"Very pleasing performance. Field's season started last night. Attacked the line and was always looking for that gap. Don't know what's been up with him lately but he looked more like Jai Field last night. Everyone performed well, Isa actually attacked really well but I would have still have Nsemba starting over him. Pretty sure Junior can do an 80 minutes. Only critique I have last night is, I think its time Harry handed the kicking tee over to Keighran. Losing unnecessary points in Smith persevering with the kicking duties.'"
Agree with the kicking. I have been an advocate in the past on here for Smith kicking as he has shown in the pass how good he can be, but he seems incapable of maintaining that level for some reason even though he managed a full season of it a couple of years ago.
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| Quote ="BoredWiganer"The mitigating factor given was that Field rapidly slipped into it, which did happen. The issue is, that it was a shoulder charge by Moylan so any mitigating factors should have been irrelevant and he should have been shown red.
I think Moylan was actually lucky that Field did slip into it, which is a wild thing to have to say and shows the system as flawed.
Can we stop the silly name calling too by chance? So unnecessary and you can get your point across well enough without it.'"
100% agree. I thought Moylan was both lucky and unlucky. Field clearly slipped into the tackle which is the obvious mitigation but at the same time he looked to be going in with the shoulder and not wrapping the arms so it easily could have been deemed a shoulder charge.
Could just as easily been red.
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| Quote ="Trainman"100% agree. I thought Moylan was both lucky and unlucky. Field clearly slipped into the tackle which is the obvious mitigation but at the same time he looked to be going in with the shoulder and not wrapping the arms so it easily could have been deemed a shoulder charge.
Could just as easily been red.'"
I think the refs used common sense in this case. Contact with head and he didn’t wrap however the speed at which Field fell meant that the time he had to wrap was significantly reduced from what is already milliseconds going into contact.
I was ok with the yellow.
Not a comment on any posters in particular but I do get frustrated by fans saying games gone soft etc and bemoaning the new interpretation of the head contact rules, but then call for red cards as soon as a player from their team gets involved in an innocuous one like the Field Moylan one last night.
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| A really pleasing performance.
I was worried before the game how we would react after the energy sapping game against Saints. A great response from the whole squad.
Some rest and perfecting our game next week ready for Cas in the CC.
Great to see Hill make his first start for the first team.
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| Quote ="jonh"I think the refs used common sense in this case. Contact with head and he didn’t wrap however the speed at which Field fell meant that the time he had to wrap was significantly reduced from what is already milliseconds going into contact.
I was ok with the yellow.
Not a comment on any posters in particular but I do get frustrated by fans saying games gone soft etc and bemoaning the new interpretation of the head contact rules, but then call for red cards as soon as a player from their team gets involved in an innocuous one like the Field Moylan one last night.'"
I get frustrated by how far some people will go to defend the refs.
You say the Field one was innocuous but, in regards to impact, the shot to Field was far worse than the shot from Byrne.
You, the refs and the wannabe pretend lawyers can use all your BS buzzwords to justify whatever you want. ATEOTD, it's either an accidental shot to the head or not. Accidents happen in different ways. Both situations were lazy and accidental. Byrne's however resulted in a red + 4 games. It's completely and utterly wrong.
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| Quote ="jonh"I think the refs used common sense in this case. Contact with head and he didn’t wrap however the speed at which Field fell meant that the time he had to wrap was significantly reduced from what is already milliseconds going into contact.
I was ok with the yellow.
Not a comment on any posters in particular but I do get frustrated by fans saying games gone soft etc and bemoaning the new interpretation of the head contact rules, but then call for red cards as soon as a player from their team gets involved in an innocuous one like the Field Moylan one last night.'"
I think the ruling lacks consistency and that’s what frustrates players and fans alike. Our game is incredibly fast and it is impossible for a player to alter his tackling technique in a millisecond, or pull out of a tackle (Miski on O’Brien shown In real time is a fair challenge, slowed down to the nth degree it can be adjudged as ‘slightly’ late). Will Moylan and Lam be sat in the stands next week? We shall have to wait and see but if the MRP are consistent they will have to keep Byrne and Vaughan company.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"A really pleasing performance.
I was worried before the game how we would react after the energy sapping game against Saints. A great response from the whole squad.
Some rest and perfecting our game next week ready for Cas in the CC.
Great to see Hill make his first start for the first team.'"
Hill’s footwork at the line is fantastic. I am surprised that it has taken so long for him to get a start as he is a big favourite of the coach.
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| Quote ="Zig"Hill’s footwork at the line is fantastic. I am surprised that it has taken so long for him to get a start as he is a big favourite of the coach.'"
He seems to have put on quite a bit of muscle during preseason and he looks a lot stronger.
He’s from good stock and that with Peet’s guidance I can see him as a regular in the starting 17 from next season irrespective of who is available.
I was really pleased when we signed Eseh but Hill looks the better prospect of the two at the moment but obviously Eseh’s injury may be preventing him showing how he his developing.
With Havard, Hill and Eseh we have some incredible potential in the front row.
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| Quote ="Zig"I think the ruling lacks consistency and that’s what frustrates players and fans alike. Our game is incredibly fast and it is impossible for a player to alter his tackling technique in a millisecond, or pull out of a tackle (Miski on O’Brien shown In real time is a fair challenge, slowed down to the nth degree it can be adjudged as ‘slightly’ late). Will Moylan and Lam be sat in the stands next week? We shall have to wait and see but if the MRP are consistent they will have to keep Byrne and Vaughan company.'"
This 1000000%
The ref got the call right last night. He, like others have said, used a bit of common sense. Like you say, it's a fast paced game and accidents happen. We don't need players sitting out periods of games for it.
The fact however that one week, a ref can use common sense & the week before, in the biggest game of the season, he can can't - screams to me that he wanted to send him off and have it all about himself.
OT and to another point and I think Nicky Kiss raised earlier in the week, asking where the uproar was from other fans etc. I think we can safely say, after French got dumped on his head, that if it's a Wigan player getting lifted in a tackle it's ok.
It's all just a bit ridiculous, but this is what happens when people keep sticking up for the officiating. The club's don't say anything publicly, sky glance over it and there's no accountability in the media either. If this was footy, they'd be all over it. They'd be hammered on TV by pundits and managers, they'd be mentioned in the press, or debated on Talk Sport etc. we just bend over and take it.
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