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| Tomkins was on the line, it was right in front of me - both feet actually - don't let his whinging put you off that.
That being said, after being sinbinned for dissent last week, and whinging at the lineo this week, it's a worry that he seems to be a little bit up-himself over his can of soup, but that's what being a pin-up for rugby league will do I suppose...
Anyway, a really tough game to call when we got back into it, thoroughly enjoyable game and a great advert for the sport.
Just disappointing that I still haven't seen a cnsistent referee.
Thanks for making a great atmosphere see you in a few months guys!
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| Entertaining game.
What really stood out for me is the improvement in Castleford and particularly some of their new signings. I thought Hauraki from Leeds played well and caused us some problems with some strong running down the middle, I was a bit suprised when Leeds let him go but he seems to have settled in very well as Castelford.
Another player to catch the eye was the young scrum-half and goal kicker Jamie Ellis, he never gave up and seemed to have a good understanding with Chase - that combination will cause plenty of teams problems this season and Ellis looks to be just the sort of player Castleford have lacked recently - when he kicked the 40/20 I really feared for Wigan.
Webster is a beast and full of class, he really used his experience to cause our young back line problems and he is the kind of player that you would like to see covered by a George Carmont but he really flourished against our inexperienced back line.
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| Point worth noting for Cas fans, Watch Boots and All this week and learn what a forward pass is, it seems to happen a lot whenever we travel to either Wakefield or Castleford it's always the refs fault and you always seem to hurl unneccesary abuse at them, Leeds united play just down the road i suggest you follow them in future. Desicions go for you sometimes and sometimes they dont but first half we were penalised 7 to your 1 so you cant blame the ref for losing but it was a great game overall!
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| Quote ="Bostonslugholes"Point worth noting for Cas fans, Watch Boots and All this week and learn what a forward pass is, it seems to happen a lot whenever we travel to either Wakefield or Castleford it's always the refs fault and you always seem to hurl unneccesary abuse at them, Leeds united play just down the road i suggest you follow them in future. Desicions go for you sometimes and sometimes they dont but first half we were penalised 7 to your 1 so you cant blame the ref for losing but it was a great game overall!'"
And in the second half we were penalised 5-1. Crucially, Mr Alibert failed to notice 2 head high tackles Daz Clark, maybe it was because it was 22-22 and we'd of kicked to take the lead. There's just a feeling that sometimes the smaller clubs, don't get the rub of the green when playing the bigger teams from the officials. Maybe you guys will feel that sense of injustice when you play the likes of Leeds & Warrington.
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| Quote ="Bostonslugholes"Point worth noting for Cas fans, Watch Boots and All this week and learn what a forward pass is, it seems to happen a lot whenever we travel to either Wakefield or Castleford it's always the refs fault and you always seem to hurl unneccesary abuse at them, Leeds united play just down the road i suggest you follow them in future. Desicions go for you sometimes and sometimes they dont but first half we were penalised 7 to your 1 so you cant blame the ref for losing but it was a great game overall!'"
It was funny watching the highlights every time a pass went flat to the first man the crowd shouted forward and when the ball went out the back to the second man you'd get appeals for obstruction.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Quote ="Bostonslugholes"Point worth noting for Cas fans, Watch Boots and All this week and learn what a forward pass is, it seems to happen a lot whenever we travel to either Wakefield or Castleford it's always the refs fault and you always seem to hurl unneccesary abuse at them, Leeds united play just down the road i suggest you follow them in future. Desicions go for you sometimes and sometimes they dont but first half we were penalised 7 to your 1 so you cant blame the ref for losing but it was a great game overall!'"
And in the second half we were penalised 5-1. Crucially, Mr Alibert failed to notice 2 head high tackles Daz Clark, maybe it was because it was 22-22 and we'd of kicked to take the lead. There's just a feeling that sometimes the smaller clubs, don't get the rub of the green when playing the bigger teams from the officials. Maybe you guys will feel that sense of injustice when you play the likes of Leeds & Warrington.'"
Not sure if the last part was a dig or not but just incase wigan are the biggest team in super league.
It' does sound very desperate on the highlight. Warring ton are the same when it comes to Ryan Atkins flouncing around like a fish when hes just been dominated in a tackle.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Quote ="Bostonslugholes"Point worth noting for Cas fans, Watch Boots and All this week and learn what a forward pass is, it seems to happen a lot whenever we travel to either Wakefield or Castleford it's always the refs fault and you always seem to hurl unneccesary abuse at them, Leeds united play just down the road i suggest you follow them in future. Desicions go for you sometimes and sometimes they dont but first half we were penalised 7 to your 1 so you cant blame the ref for losing but it was a great game overall!'"
And in the second half we were penalised 5-1. Crucially, Mr Alibert failed to notice 2 head high tackles Daz Clark, maybe it was because it was 22-22 and we'd of kicked to take the lead. There's just a feeling that sometimes the smaller clubs, don't get the rub of the green when playing the bigger teams from the officials. Maybe you guys will feel that sense of injustice when you play the likes of Leeds & Warrington.'"
Not sure if the last part was a dig or not but just incase wigan are the biggest team in super league.
It' does sound very desperate on the highlight. Warring ton are the same when it comes to Ryan Atkins flouncing around like a fish when hes just been dominated in a tackle.
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| Quote ="Major Tom"It was funny watching the highlights every time a pass went flat to the first man[u the crowd [/u[ushouted forward [/uand when the ball went out the back to the second man you'd get appeals for obstruction.'"
They are Yorkshires equivalent of Saints fans..............."ffffffoooooooorrrruuuuuddddd" !!!
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| Every time Sam has a bit of an 'off day', he's suddenly believing his own hype. He's not going to be superhuman every time he plays. Still think his shoulder is worrying him, and he went down injured after a turnover on our own line too. Just hoping we haven't rushed him back too soon.
As for the game, enjoyed it thoroughly and were lucky to come out on the right side of the score line. Webster and Carney look a class act on that left hand side for Castleford.
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| Quote ="Towns88"And in the second half we were penalised 5-1. Crucially, Mr Alibert failed to notice 2 head high tackles Daz Clark, maybe it was because it was 22-22 and we'd of kicked to take the lead. There's just a feeling that sometimes the smaller clubs, don't get the rub of the green when playing the bigger teams from the officials. Maybe you guys will feel that sense of injustice when you play the likes of Leeds & Warrington.'"
And in the 1st half you won the penalty count 7-1 by those calculations (By my reckoning on the day it was actually 8-2 at Half time to Cas but hey ho) and you were losing 16-0 at one point and 16-4 at HT so those penalties didn't help you that much?
A bit like the Hudds game a couple of weeks ago we got 3/4/5 penalties in the last 10 mins, you can argue they were crucial but I'd also argue being 7/8-1 down in the first 50 mins or so is equally as crucial (And baffling as youd have thought a team 16-0 up wouldnt neccesarily be the team slowing things down?).
Bearing in mind Halibut is the ref that 3 years ago at Crusaders when we were 30 - 0 up after 25 mins and only had 1 pen against us then went on to penalise us 8/9 times in a row up to half time. Baffling!
Quote ="twosevenzero"Quote ="Major Tom"It was funny watching the highlights every time a pass went flat to the first man[u the crowd [/u[ushouted forward [/uand when the ball went out the back to the second man you'd get appeals for obstruction.'"
They are Yorkshires equivalent of Saints fans..............."ffffffoooooooorrrruuuuuddddd" !!!'"
I always thought it was spelt FORRURD!
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| P/s Your captain. OUTSTANDING. Great offload, leads by example. Best 13 in the country (Sinfield included, if you count him as a 13)
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| Quote ="Towns88"And in the second half we were penalised 5-1. Crucially, Mr Alibert failed to notice 2 head high tackles Daz Clark, maybe it was because it was 22-22 and we'd of kicked to take the lead. There's just a feeling that sometimes the smaller clubs, don't get the rub of the green when playing the bigger teams from the officials. Maybe you guys will feel that sense of injustice when you play the likes of Leeds & Warrington.'"
Funny you should say because I always get the impression its the other way round. It seems to me that the smaller clubs are always helped out in games against the bigger clubs earlier on, to stop the top teams running away with it.
You will then notice the the penalty count over the course of the game evens itself out, so that the one sided penalty count from the 1st half doesn't raise any suspicions.
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| Quote ="Major Tom"It was funny watching the highlights every time a pass went flat to the first man the crowd shouted forward and when the ball went out the back to the second man you'd get appeals for obstruction.'"
It's because most of them don't actually understand what is a forward pass or not.
It's perfectly possible for the ball to travel forward relative to the ground, depending on the starting and finishing positions of the passer and reveiver.
I would say 95% of RL supporters do not understand this.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"It's because most of them don't actually understand what is a forward pass or not.
It's perfectly possible for the ball to travel forward relative to the ground, depending on the starting and finishing positions of the passer and reveiver.
I would say 95% of RL supporters do not understand this.'"
Obviously the 95% never had a skateboard and tried to step of it backwards travelling at 25mph.......LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Major Tom"It was funny watching the highlights every time a pass went flat to the first man the crowd shouted forward and when the ball went out the back to the second man you'd get appeals for obstruction.'"
highlights tend not to provide much in the way of context. in the 1st half cas were denied a clear try scoring opportunity when the touch judge called a level looking pass forward. thereafter some fans seemed to think his attention needed to be constantly drawn to Wigan's flat passing presumably in the mistaken belief that any of it which was no different to Cas' would also be pulled up.
as for the passing to dummy runners, no complaints from me, the lines Wigan run are sublime - poetry in motion.
also for the record i don't recall any defence doing such a good job on Chase and in the end that was probably what won the game.
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| I've just watched the 40 minutes highlights on Wigan t.v.
AGAIN the officials got it wrong. Sam catches the moving ball with his foot on the touchline. It should have been head and feed to Wigan (at least he learned his lesson from last and didn't have a go at the ref) Ref gave Cas the feed.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Sam catches the moving ball with his foot on the touchline. It should have been head and feed to Wigan.'"
I thought that. He isn't having much luck with that rule is he.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I've just watched the 40 minutes highlights on Wigan t.v.
AGAIN the officials got it wrong. Sam catches the moving ball with his foot on the touchline. It should have been head and feed to Wigan (at least he learned his lesson from last and didn't have a go at the ref) Ref gave Cas the feed.'"
Was it a 40/20 though?
Lad who i was stood with thought it was and if ball is over the 20 then surely the 40/20 still stands?
BTW not saying it was as I thought Sam had his foot on the line whilst the ball was moving and it should have been Wigan head and feed until he said it was a 40/20
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"They are Yorkshires equivalent of Saints fans..............."ffffffoooooooorrrruuuuuddddd" !!!'"
That's Bradford fans, surely.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Was it a 40/20 though?
Lad who i was stood with thought it was and if ball is over the 20 then surely the 40/20 still stands?
BTW not saying it was as I thought Sam had his foot on the line whilst the ball was moving and it should have been Wigan head and feed until he said it was a 40/20'"
That's why the same incident at Salford was a Salford ball. I don't think it was a 40/20 though.
He should just start letting it go out when under no pressure though to make sure. It doesn't speed the game up.
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| Sam needs to forget that rule and start fielding the ball. It was an easy pick up as it was at Salford and with these officials it simply isn't worth the risk.
His game at fullback looks confused at the moment with these rules changes and his brain seems a bit scrambled. He needs to get back to the basics of the position because Sunday was unacceptable from any fullback.
Harsh maybe but he's far too good a player to put in performances like Sunday. I hope they've had him working on his defence all week as well.
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| Quote ="Conroy"That's why the same incident at Salford was a Salford ball. I don't think it was a 40/20 though.
He should just start letting it go out when under no pressure though to make sure. It doesn't speed the game up.'"
We commented on Sunday that we couldn't see any markers or cones to show the 40/20 metre lines at Cas.
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| It looks like Sam is having a bit of a rough time at the minute. Bu I would much rather have him being dodgy at this time of year and being world class come August onwards!
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| Only just got round to seeing the credits but fair play to Cas - they scored some good tries and kept the ball alive well. Got to say though, that our defence for some of their tries was appalling. Was it Webster who about four of our players dropped off? Hughes and Charnley had a mare as did Tomkins. The worrying thing for me is that i'm not seeing any actual improvement in the defensive part of his fullback game. When Radders was at FB i'd always bet on him in a 1-on-1. With Sam, he gets beaten and caught out way too easily... Yes, i know he's a different kind of player but maybe he's just to different to be a full-back?
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