Where did you get the stats from?

Do you think Hansen. Richards and Tomkins could of made a difference?

Agree with what you have said - considering the start we had we did really well to come back into and I am sure that Roosters will do a similar job on a number of NRL sides this season.

Can't help but think that goal kicking may haunt us this season...

I doubt Hansen had a get out clause whereas we now know know Mossop and Sam had such clauses. I doubt Hansen was the least bit dewy eyed about playing for Salford as was made out and had the club offered an extension mid way through last season when Hansen himself said he was happy to stay I think he'd still be our player. So it is not all down to players wanting away IMO but also at least in this case the [uclubs[/u desire to sell. The club also does not have to agree to get out clauses such as Mossop and Sam had in the first place and needs to decide if it is worth signing players to so called long term deals when they are anything but if players insist on such clauses. The first I heard of Mossop's get out clause was after he left and I don't think it is fair to fans to give the impression certain players are here for 5 or whatever years when the club are virtually certain they won't be.

While I am under no illusion due to the poor deal the RFL have done with Sky we as a sport have ruled out keeping any world class players it needs to manage this so at the end of each season we don't start the next season with virtually a new side. It can do that by not being so keen to sell good players who it could realistically keep like Hansen and not seemingly being taken by surprise that we end up losing the likes of Mossop and Sam at the same time as others such as Richards have contracts that have actually run their course.

If Green leaves at the end of this season as he says he wants to I have no problem with that. He signed for two years and he is going to do two years. I always thought he wasn't given longer because the club had an eye to junior players being ready to take over and if so this looks like a good plan. IMO this is far better than saying you have signed someone for five years for them to leave after two as soon as someone comes knocking.

We won't get a fee for Green but then we won't have a player on a contract with a get out clause which means he has his mind elsewhere or will be distracted by endless speculation. This has got to be preferable to wondering just when RU for the NRL are going to make a bid and must make Wane's job easier.

Wigan getting hammered, hadn't even reached half time and there you were more than happy to stick the boot in and the first person to comment on the game on this board. Couldn't wait could you!!!



Sad

The game reminded me on many ways of the Challenge Cup Semi Final v Leeds in 2012. So many mistakes, then get back into the game and make another soft error.

I believe Bilko has posted a photo showing that the Jennings try from our loose pass was "debatable"

No problems, it was a great night. Still amazed how many turned up, but so happy we all got to have a proper meet up!!!! Im going to be bored for the rest of the season after this weekend, Roosters fans are too reserved!!!

Yeah mate, you're the one picking fights on a forum and I'm sad. Good one.

P.S. Read my initial comment again. There was no sticking the boot in.

You are always causing trouble on here with snide comments all the time, you spend more time on here than the saints board

I think it may have been the Sydney Herald site but not 100% sure (seen them somewhere online).

We made about 1050m to there 1100m but our missed tackles hurt us (about 32 to 19 iirc). Everything else was much the same.

A mixture of nerves and concentration kept us out of that game IMO. At our very best we may have gone close but it wasn't to be.

That's a good comparison. Nervy start, few daft mistakes, let in some soft tries and by the time we actually got in to the game we were chasing the score board too much, then a further couple of errors killed our chances completely. I bet the players wish they could have that first 20 mins again, I think the occassion just got to quite a few of them.

Maybe Wane got them wound up too much. Before the match was looking at the quotes regarding when we beat the Broncos and how laid back that trip seemed to be. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though i suppose

The Wigan team were well prepared for the game. Any nerves would be down to inexperience. However the way they aquitted themselves in the second half may well stand them in good stead for the future. The fact that they didn't get 60 put on them, which I believe every other team in super League would have, surely will give them added belief in themselves.

There is no doubt in my mind that with Sam, Pat, HH and Mossop in the team we would have played better - but still come up short. The experience gained by the likes of Sarginson, Burgess, Taylor, Crosby and Bateman may well help them to mature more quickly as players. We'll see. If IL promises SW that he won't sell any more players then this group could dominate Super League for years to come.

At the minute there's no way such a promise can be made. I've got a feeling we'll lose Charnley and Taylor at the end of this season. Players like faz and mcilorum will surely be on the immediate NRL radar also. The defining point is whether the player fancies the move or not, and if they do there's not a lot SL clubs can do to prevent it.

I agree.

But Leeds seem to be keeping hold of Watkins and Hall. We should be trying to do the same with Josh.

When people ask me why I say Wigan fans can be arrogant and deluded I just don't know what to say...

Well, I gave a point of view, which was - Wigan did well after the first 20 minutes. Every other team in Super League would have shipped 60 at that point, IMO of course. If you disagree then say so. The charge of arrogance I can live with...but delusional?

Sometimes a game just gets away from you especially when playing a top team who penalise you when you make an error.

It's like the comparison between premiership football and European. In the premiership you can give the ball away and expect to get it back almost straight away, against top European teams you don't get it back.

There were some pretty soft tries in there from our mistakes which was a shame as for large parts of the game we matched them.

Wrong on all accounts. I am just giving my opinions on the games, as have many Wigan fans. Why don't you go and chastise all the Wigan fans who have given negative comments about the game?

Keep on posting mate. Your presence adds to the debate.

Goulding was the second worst player on the pitch after Bowen, he rushed out the line a number of times

No team has scored 60 or more points past Leeds in the last 10 years, we've had 6 WCC's in that time including a couple against the salary cap cheating Melbourne Storm, so even ignoring the relative quality of teams like Warrington, Saints and Huddersfield (who I believe it's reasonable to say would all put up a similarly spirited display to Wigan) I'd say it's pretty delusional to suggest that Wigan are so far ahead of 'every other team in Super League'. You weren't even that far ahead of the rest last season. It's an arrogant thing to say and a delusional thing to believe as there is absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

I'm glad some see it that way.

You're a perfect example of someone who can have a reasonable conversation with someone without having to agree with them; me and you have done that a few times already.

Anyway, I don't want to be accused of derailing or posting off-topic so can somebody please post about the actual game!

There are other teams in super league who may not even have been 18 down at that point. Theres as much evidence for that as there is of them shipping 60. There are teams in super league that:

a) for the first score would have held a defensive line
b) not being shrugged off so easily by jennings

Anyway. Wigans back line to me looks like being a problem. Theres only charnley of any quality. It may be foolish to exclude bowen, but from the first 2 games he looks bog standard, not even a poor mans sam tomkins.

When you compare it to leeds backline for example, you start to see the difference in quality.

Fair comment.

In my defence two things; firstly Leeds haven't played away in Australia. Whenever you have played in the WCC the conditions have been stacked in your favour. Secondly, whilst Wigan weren't that far ahead last season, we won the GF from a record deficit.

My point was about the fighting qualities of the team coming from behind. (It may be that Leeds wouldn't have shipped three tries in the first 20 mins - who knows?)

I would agree that Leeds backline looks a lot stronger than Wigan's at the moment. I also agree about Bowen. I think that Wigan's sum is greater than the individual parts and that's down to team spirit and coaching.

Without going over my point about other Super League teams losing heavily - Wigan do seem to be able to fight until the end, evidence the GF, and this seems to paper over deficiencies. I stand by my original assertion. I don't think any team in Super League would have stood toe to toe over the last 60 minutes with a clearly superior team.