Ah, I know he got cleaned out...He obviously didn't make it back to the pitch!

That was terrible, he should have gone for that one, he was very lucky it didn't come off for Wakey.

I hope mathers dosent get banned - then noble has to make a decision rather than hide behind the ban and bring him back in 3 weeks time.

I'd agree with this, a ban makes it easy, if he is available for selection, Noble can prove he is as good as his word.

According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys

According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys

Quote ="Bolton_Warrior"According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys '" In fairness, he appears great around the club and for team spirit etc, its a real shame he is a disgrace to the jersey.

Quote ="Bolton_Warrior"According to Richie we will come good. www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Math ... 4963480.jp Fire away guys '" In fairness, he appears great around the club and for team spirit etc, its a real shame he is a disgrace to the jersey.

This is the thing about Mathers. Everyone who meets him seems to like him. But if you're not good enough you're not good enough.

The best thing (for both him and us) is a couple of months in the reserves to see if he can pull it together.

Jinkin Jimmy, if you thought O'Loughlin played well on Sunday then I suggest its you who doesn't know what he's watching.

Who made the most handling errors for Wigan ? O'Loughlin with 3.

Only two players - Mathers and kick-mad Smith - made less average metres per carry according to the official stats. His offensive game was poor.

All players can be assessed, you know. There are no exceptions, even Andy Farrell's brother-in-law, and I don't see why he should go under the radar.

Having said all that, I concede that it was his first starting appearance since May and that he'll take time to get back into it at this level.

Again, it comes down to team selection. Did Joel Tomkins really deserve to be on the bench after the way he finished last season ? I think not.

On loan please, was it not yourself that said the reserves would impede the progress of Josh Vievers?

I didn't say he played well. You, on the other hand, saide he was" awfully poor" which he plainly wasn't. You say his offensive game was poor. Tell me please, whose wasn't? Didn't he put Joel in for his try?

Finally, your "brother-in-law" comment have shown your true agenda. What the hell has Tomkins starting on the bench got to do with Lockers' level of performance?

The key to loaning someone out is having the demand for the player in question

I don't recall saying that, but it's a good point.

Trouble is, I'm not sure who we could loan him to. His form last season was mostly dire.

Not a good signing, I'm afraid to say. At least, not on the evidence of what we've seen so far.

True, I even advocated the Riversiders A side but they were having none of it!

Then again, if you look at the official stats, Mathers made 0 errors in Sunday's game.

Shows you how much faith you should put in statistics, doesn't it?

It does.

They said that about Hitler !!

Jinkin Jimmy, the link is quite simple.

O'Loughlin hadn't played a game of SL since May. And in my opinion he was as poor as most others on Sunday, not least in the leadership department where Wigan were left sadly lacking.

He ought to have started the game on the bench with Tomkins in the first XIII. Make him earn his place back in the starting line-up and regain his match fitness, for this level, gradually.

That's in my humble opinion, of course. And we're all entitled to one of those.

Do you seriously believe that Tomkins is a better player than Lockers? From what I can gather Lockers has been our best forward in the pre-season.

I think the fair thing would be to have them both in the starting line up. Tomkins on the place he earned last season and OLoughlin from good pre-season performances.
I dont think its fair to say Tomkins should keep OLoughlin out of the team/on the bench etc. But at the same time Tomkins doesnt deserve to lose his starting place on the basis of what was seen last year.

Still no news.

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We are hardly going to miss him if he is banned.

I don't want him to be banned, I want to see whether he will be dropped or not for his performance on Sunday.

When you hand-pick statistics to suit your arguement it makes them even less valid. For example why didn't you include try assists?

Unfortunately for you I suspect Mathers wil get banned thus taking the onus off Noble.

The incident happened in front of me and it looked a bad one in normal speed

Mathers has been found guilty and suspended for 2 games

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