Forber also provides the option to move Leeming into the halves if needed.

As I keep saying Itchy, he has. Several times last season and he went fine. That's why I don't understand the reluctance this season. He doesn't look any less fit.

*I'll try to find the relevant threads from last year if I get chance.

I believe you Phuzzy but Peet must have his reasons for not increasing his minutes and the same can be said for Byrne, Walters and Hill. My initial thoughts were that he doesn’t trust them but maybe they maybe carrying injuries which means that they aren’t able to train properly? I’m not sure what it is but I’m pretty sure that it isn’t that Peet doesn’t want to rotate his squad.

Actually Byrne is the better example. He was always regarded as a long minutes prop but now plays the same 15 minute cameos that Mago plays. It's quite strange. My own take on it is he just likes Thompson, Harvard and Ellis better but running them into the ground is short sighted to say the least.

I’d be a little disappointed if Peet’s lack of rotation is because he just wants to play his best 3 props at the maximum for every game. What would be the point in having so many props in the squad if he didn’t think at the beginning of the season that he would need to rely on a good depth of available props?
I haven’t got a clue what it is but Peet has more than enough credit in the bank to make mistakes and I for one can accept the mistakes as long as we learn from them. There is a bit of pressure now on Peet and I’m confident he will learn and pull through our current malaise. I can’t wait to see the 21 for Saturday particularly who is going to play 6.
I’ve always given Byrne maximum support even when he’s not always deserving. I really thought that he was going to kick on but he’s regressed this season and I suspect that he along with Walters is struggling with the tackle technique now required. I hope he’s selected for Saturday and Waney is in his ear on the need to stifle Walmsley when he comes on.

3 matches for Smith

Reduced from 6 because it was Bentley

There's so many different directions he could go in but based on what I've seen from Wellens' selections this year I'd take a stab at the following:

Robertson
Makinson
Davies
Blake
Ritson

Bell
Mbye

Lees
Burns
Walmsley
Sironen
Whitley
Paasi

Subs
Matautia
Batchelor
Stephens
Fuck knows, but thinking it will be Vaughan/Royle

Would like him to give roberts his debut instead so bell can play loose forward and I think the side would be overall a little more balanced that way, but it's a big big call to make against you lot at Magic so I'd be pretty surprised. Think he will go Bell for his defensive capabilities or at a push, Davies at half and Whitley/Vaughan at centre

What would your 17 be Stu based on what you have seen this season?

Difficult one really. I’d love to see Robertson at 6 but it would be a mismatch defending against Nsemba. I can see him putting Davies at 6 for his big boot in kicking and he’s a bigger body in defence. Mbye will have to play 7 but then he can’t spell Burns who looks like he’ll struggle with playing 80 mins. Bell can’t spell Burns as he’ll need to play 80 mins at 13 with no Knowles. We really are up against it

My guess would be

Robertson
Makinson
Blake
Whitley
Ritson
Davies
Mbye
Lees
Burns
Paasi
Sironen
Batchelor
Bell

Stephens
Matautia
Walmsley
Vaughan (or a back like Whitby or Roberts- can’t see them being thrown in though)

If thats the team he goes for, the back will probably be Bennison!

Looking at what has been posted for a potential Saints team, i think the packs will be relatively evenly matched, and its on the day who gets on top

From a Wigan perspective, and i know our attack hasnt been flowing but i'd look to get at the Saints backline as there are potential weaknesses there with the players missing. I know it looks like both sides are missing their starting halves, so its who can control the ball better of the 2 makeshift partnerships. Ideally if we can get Wardle / Eckersley (assuming Keighran into 6) i can see us getting a bit of joy v Blake / Ritson / Davies or Whitley

also in a strange way, with the numbers both sides are missing in key positions, it could turn out to be a very competitive game

Our potential 1, 6, 7, 9 options are:

Field
Keighran
Farrimond
Leeming

Eckersley
Field
Farrimond
Leeming

Field
Leeming
Farrimond
Forber

Option 3 is the only one that doesn't have Eckersley starting.

Impossible to call.

A bigger game for Saints, than ourselves. We could do with a win, but not season defining.

Our priority has to be playing well for the last few games of the regular season and build into the play offs with energy. We've seen over the last 12-18 months, few sides are better than us when we've got this.

It's interesting if you go back over our recent SL wins (2013, 2016, 2018 and 2023), we seem to hit our roughest patch in July and August of those seasons. It's almost as if the performance team know when to peak at the right time. The issue this year, we've had 3 peaks to do! 2 down, 1 to go in October. (Note: I am not saying we deliberately throw games in this period before anyone says!)

How is it a bigger game for Saints?? This is a free hit, with low expectations from Saints fans of a win.

We have our 1, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 13 missing

We then have Hurrell, Delaney and Wingfield who may not make a first choice 17 but would be first choice replacements

We aren't going to finish in the top 3, it's purely about making the top 6 so not sure why this game is more important to us. It's about us winning more games now than Leigh and Leeds before the end of the season.

NB I think Forber will start on Saturday....

I understand your point re the injuries and we're pretty lucky you've racked up those injuries as I would be very fearful this Saturday, if we were to face a near-full strength Saints. However, we saw last week when a patched up Leeds side put us to the sword. Sometimes it's the team who wants the win more, and has more in the tank. We'll also be missing our 6,7,9,11.

My view is that you need the win more than us, as you say, you won't finish top 3; we most likely are nailed on to, barring a disaster. If you lose Saturday, you could finish the weekend only 2 points ahead of seventh, with KR at home, Wire away and Leigh away to come.

Yes and with our injuries that may well be another 3 defeats however that's also saying Leigh and Leeds continue to win. We also have Cas at H and Hudds A so that could be two wins

Also certainly by Leigh we may well be back to normal (ish) barring any more injuries. Certainly Clark and Dodd will be back and that is the game earmarked for Welsby. Plus Lomax and Knowles back so suddenly we look more healthy (again if we don't pick up any more)

FWIW, irrespective of Saturday's result, you should make the 6 with room to spare. I think for both Wigan and Saints it's about getting players back fit and having energy in the tank come the playoffs.

I do feel, particularly this week, fans of other clubs and the media are starting to sleep on both Wigan and Saints. I certainly wouldn't back against a Wigan Saints final. Fit and firing, both sides can play at an intensity that others in the league can't.

Also not sure a "patched up" Leeds side is the right term. Plus they were at home, new coach syndrome etc

Not missing 9 players from a 21 man squad like we are on Saturday

This is the lamest piece of detective work ever but Wigan have posted a picture of Adam Keighran training and he's about to receive a pass outside the penalty arc (so the centre of the field). Conclusive proof he'll be playing halfback on Saturday.

Field
Miski Eckersley Wardle Marshall
Keighran Farrimond
Thompson Leeming Havard
Nsemba Farrell Ellis

Subs- Dupree Mago Walters Forber

My worry is MP seems to have a bit of a blind spot re. Saints where he wants to go set for set with them while other clubs have shown the way to beat Saints and in some cases quite easily is to ping the ball around, they're that rigid they just can't cope with it.

Very similar to what i was alluding to in my earlier post - i dont think there will be much in the packs, but we need / should be able to get at their backs with Ritson, Blake and either Davies or Whitley as the other centre

both half back pairings are makeshift (albeit Farrimond is a recognised half), so its about us getting good quality quick ball from the pack, and allowing us to get at their outside backs, and hopefully getting some success out of it

Hampshire dropped so I think that's Farrimond/Keighran in the halves https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2024/08/ ... 8AnNS6ZrGw

Hampshire dropped so I think that's Farrimond/Keighran in the halves https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2024/08/ ... 8AnNS6ZrGw