Because I don't agree with you? Because I choose to have a pop at our biggest rival?

Depends which topic

If its this one then your expressing opinion, and dressing it up as fact
You weren't guaranteed the first semi final, that is Fact
Your coming up with hypothetical to male it sound like your being penalised, when your not
Your using rhetoric such as penalised when you haven't been, FACT

He never said they hadn't

If you forget the hyperbole and the echo chamber ramblings and look at simple facts it may help

Sky have always had the right to the play offs so decided to televise the League leaders game first (and I'll assume on every occasion)
This year they are sharing the rights with CH4 and decide which game they want to show Friday night, the league leader DOES NOT have the right to the Friday game, FACT

Or maybe...just maybe...Sky wanted to show the likely most competitive game (2nd v highest placed qualifier) rather than 1st v lowest place and there's actually nothing more to it than that.

Why is everything some conspiracy against Saints? Just look how many games Wigan have had moved including this Friday and 2 in this last month!

It's not as if the semi has even been moved anyway. You're just up in arms because you [uthought[/u you might play first!

Well given I haven't used the word "fact" in my post then I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. Thanks for putting it in capitals by the way as I wouldn't have understood it without it being in capitals.

However to humour you I will clarify that the above is in my opinion. We'll never know if Sky were always going to choose Wigan regardless of the stadium situation.

So I will add (and this is in my OPINION) that I think that Sky have done the RFL a huge favour by their decision to avoid Wigan having to find somewhere else to play and all the problems that would bring.

I never once said it was a conspiracy against Saints.

Look I’m pretty comfortable to admit that there probably has been talks with Sky to see if they would pick us for the Friday slot to avoid issues but we’ll never know. Other than Saints fans point scoring though, there’s very little evidence to suggest you’ve been shafted by this decision, in fact the evidence would suggest it’s beneficial to play a day later and have a days less rest (although I’m also pretty comfortable admitting that is likely a coincidence).

Maybe other sides should be outraged that this move has given Saints an edge because they can now motivate themselves by how badly done to they’ve been! Backs to the wall, minus 63 players with injury and now this! It never rains….

So you havent been penalised ?

When did I say you'd used the word fact?
I said you were using emotive rhetoric that was nothing more than opinion and based on hypotheticals and tantrums (by many people)

My use of the word fact was to merely point out that everything you had put wasn't, and using "penalised" to describe Saints situation is certainly not.

I agree. The 15 hrs extra rest is neither here nor there. For me I feel it will impact on the attendance and that's my biggest gripe.

See my post above.

That’s a question we’d never be able to get an answer to. Play off crowds are pathetic and it feels like only die hards turn up, so I’m not sure the impact will be particularly big, if there is a negative impact at all. We’ve had so many games moved late this season for example and for every person who says ‘I can’t go now, there’s another that says ‘I can’. The fact this game was never ever scheduled for the Friday should also avoid many people having to change plans.

So you havent ?

And just to add for the benefit of Jukesays who thinks I try and pretend to be a nice guy but overall I'm Dr evil, what you will find is that I am balanced.

So for example I commented on the Farrell thread that his injury is a blow to England. I've defended Adrian Lam for being without French and Field all last season. I've admitted (begrudgingly) that Wigan are a bigger club than Saints.

I've also commented on the quality of your scholarship, academy and Reserves. These are just examples off the top of my head.

However I will never not mock the fact that the biggest club in SL don't have their own ground. Imagine if Sky had chosen our game and trying to explain to a non RL fan why the biggest name in SL are having to play their home game away from home. They'd laugh.

So to conclude I will always have a pop at Wigan for that until the time is that they have their own stadium. Doesn't mean I can't be respectful at other times on other threads.

What can't you understand?

100% this!
We've seen it numerous times this season, we had it again this week with the movement of the catalans game (I could go to both but its more convenient to me Friday).
It's the nature of the beast

How do all those football teams get on with hospitality on a Saturday afternoon, must be killing them.

I can understand that you won't say you were wrong?
Is that a good enough reply?

Daft thing is I wish we were playing Saturday. A pre match pint, game done by 3pm and another dozen or so after the game (hopefully) celebrating a Grand Final place? Carlsberg Saturday that!

Lucky Saints fans.

Who said Dr Evil?
Who said being biased is a bad thing?

I didn't, embrace it, but don't pretend it doesn't exist (and in this last post you've admitted that your going to "Mock" us when you can).
That's fine, but people can see through it, especially when your way off the mark on something but defending it because it's Saints or attacking it because its Wigan.

Our crowd would have been higher
Latics were ready to switch to Sunday
Hospitality would have been through the roof
Faz would have had 1 more day recovery time and that would be the difference in him playing or not
We're 100% record playing on a Saturday this year, bloody sky know we have lost games on a Friday!

Its a conspiracy!

You said Sky are doing the RFL a favour and as a result Saints are being penalised. Much the same thing Stu but if you're insistent on being pedantic then, no, you didn't specifically say the word conspiracy.

So what [uwould[/u you call your not being given the date you were never given in the first place and the way that it's penalised you because Sky are in cahoots with the RFL?

Okay going around in circles here so I'll try and simplify it.

In my opinion I feel that if there were no issues with the stadium selection then we would have played Friday. I could be completetely wrong, I'm giving my opinion.

In my opinion Saints lose out with a perceived reduced crowd on a Saturday compared to Friday. You and others disagree with my points and that's fine. Doesn't make either opinion right or wrong.

Probably answered by my post above. I don't think any brown envelopes have been passed to Sky nor do I think its an anti-Saints tactic.

As I've said in my opinion the stadium issue has led to this and that's not our fault nor any other team that may have finished top.

So basically you're saying a situation that's been in existence for over 20 years and that everyone knows is in existence, so not a surprise to anyone, is a minor inconvenience to Saints?


Bl00dy Hell! I'm not surprised RedVomit is in meltdown!

Some interesting facts from Bilko below: https://twitter.com/wiganrlfans/status/ ... TapSA&s=19 Quote The Super League Grand Final winners in 2021, 2020, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015 & 2013 (2019 didn't have Semi Finals) all came from the second semi final with less rest than opponents. So recent history suggests its a favour your arguing against.'"

Some interesting facts from Bilko below: https://twitter.com/wiganrlfans/status/ ... TapSA&s=19 Quote The Super League Grand Final winners in 2021, 2020, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015 & 2013 (2019 didn't have Semi Finals) all came from the second semi final with less rest than opponents. So recent history suggests its a favour your arguing against.'"

Quote ="MattyB"Some interesting facts from Bilko below: https://twitter.com/wiganrlfans/status/ ... TapSA&s=19 '" Interesting that the league leaders don't often win the grand final, only once in the last 6 years. The last team to do it before Saints in 2019 was Leeds in 2015. Which was also the last time the league leaders didn't play in the first semi final. Wigan played on the Thursday night that year with Leeds on the Friday! Maybe it is a conspiracy!

Quote ="MattyB"Some interesting facts from Bilko below: https://twitter.com/wiganrlfans/status/ ... TapSA&s=19 '" Interesting that the league leaders don't often win the grand final, only once in the last 6 years. The last team to do it before Saints in 2019 was Leeds in 2015. Which was also the last time the league leaders didn't play in the first semi final. Wigan played on the Thursday night that year with Leeds on the Friday! Maybe it is a conspiracy!