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Quote ="nathan_rugby"Whilst I can understand people ignoring rules and citing all these Tory rule breaks as reasons but what logical reason can you give for not getting the booster?
The evidence is right in front of you.
Note - any reference to severity of Omicron is premature. We’ve been told countless times it takes a while for hospital figures and deaths to come through in the numbers.
There are a few people in this thread who are clearly picking and choosing which information they do and don’t want to absorb. Very worrying.'"
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Quote ="sergeant pepper"Quote ="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
Couldn't agree more tbh.'"
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Quote ="100% Warrior"Quote ="JIMMY MAGNETS"Im currently suffering from covid after being fully vaccinated. Wouldnt wish covid on anyone.Even with being double jabbed i have felt awfull. No taste or smell at all. Was just going to get my booster before i caught it bit now have to wait 28 days. Imo get all jabs offered to you!!'"
I’ve also had COVID and it wasn’t pleasant but neither was actual flu when I had that. In fact I’d argue the flu was far, far worse. I appreciate though that that is subjective. Sincerely hope you feel better soon pal.'"
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
Quote ="nathan_rugby"Quote ="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
1 death so far is irrelevant. They’ve already said it takes a while for the deaths to show because it takes longer for serious illness to develop and then the unfortunate happen. Same with hospitalisation but to a lesser extent.
You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture |
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Quote ="nathan_rugby"Whilst I can understand people ignoring rules and citing all these Tory rule breaks as reasons but what logical reason can you give for not getting the booster?
The evidence is right in front of you.
Note - any reference to severity of Omicron is premature. We’ve been told countless times it takes a while for hospital figures and deaths to come through in the numbers.
There are a few people in this thread who are clearly picking and choosing which information they do and don’t want to absorb. Very worrying.'"
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
Quote ="sergeant pepper"Quote ="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
Couldn't agree more tbh.'"
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Quote ="100% Warrior"Quote ="JIMMY MAGNETS"Im currently suffering from covid after being fully vaccinated. Wouldnt wish covid on anyone.Even with being double jabbed i have felt awfull. No taste or smell at all. Was just going to get my booster before i caught it bit now have to wait 28 days. Imo get all jabs offered to you!!'"
I’ve also had COVID and it wasn’t pleasant but neither was actual flu when I had that. In fact I’d argue the flu was far, far worse. I appreciate though that that is subjective. Sincerely hope you feel better soon pal.'"
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
Quote ="nathan_rugby"Quote ="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
1 death so far is irrelevant. They’ve already said it takes a while for the deaths to show because it takes longer for serious illness to develop and then the unfortunate happen. Same with hospitalisation but to a lesser extent.
You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture | |
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"1 death so far is irrelevant. They’ve already said it takes a while for the deaths to show because it takes longer for serious illness to develop and then the unfortunate happen. Same with hospitalisation but to a lesser extent.
You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I’m not too proud to sit back and say I was wrong, I’ve done it many times on here and no doubt many times again.
Where I don’t need to educate myself though is the absolute fact that this is going nowhere. Double jabbed plus booster or not. It will evolve, develop new variants. What do we do? Continue with restrictions for the rest of our lives? I know friends who locked down last year and missed the chance to see their relative one last time who suddenly died. I don’t can’t carry on doing this every few months. The winter always brings an upsurge in hospitalisations through flu, it was in the papers every year so it’s no shock to see an uplift in hospitalisations
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Quote ="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
I probably sound like a conspirator- trust me when I say I’m not.
I’ve listened to the experts, whose credentials I will never doubt btw, but again it’s all “ifs, coulds, mights”. No actual solid facts other than Omicron [iappears [/ito be more transmissible and less impactive than Delta. Each new variant is going to become the dominant variant, that’s also fact.
I just don’t understand the continuous need for lockdowns/restrictions when the vaccine was supposed to get us out of it. They’re trying to say get boosted with a vaccine that doesn’t work against COVID but if you’re not double jabbed get double jabbed because it works against COVID. I mean, which is it?
It’s frustrating. Life is too short to be locked down, not allowed to see friends/family (which I know hasn’t been brought in [iyet[/i), not being allowed to enjoy yourself. They told us last time it would be the last time restrictions were implemented knowing full well the chances of another variant were virtually guaranteed. The time to carry on with life came at the ending of the last round of restrictions.
I’ll be honest I hate this type of debate. Like I hated the Brexit one. Happy to leave it there and agree to disagree tbh. |
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Quote ="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
I probably sound like a conspirator- trust me when I say I’m not.
I’ve listened to the experts, whose credentials I will never doubt btw, but again it’s all “ifs, coulds, mights”. No actual solid facts other than Omicron [iappears [/ito be more transmissible and less impactive than Delta. Each new variant is going to become the dominant variant, that’s also fact.
I just don’t understand the continuous need for lockdowns/restrictions when the vaccine was supposed to get us out of it. They’re trying to say get boosted with a vaccine that doesn’t work against COVID but if you’re not double jabbed get double jabbed because it works against COVID. I mean, which is it?
It’s frustrating. Life is too short to be locked down, not allowed to see friends/family (which I know hasn’t been brought in [iyet[/i), not being allowed to enjoy yourself. They told us last time it would be the last time restrictions were implemented knowing full well the chances of another variant were virtually guaranteed. The time to carry on with life came at the ending of the last round of restrictions.
I’ll be honest I hate this type of debate. Like I hated the Brexit one. Happy to leave it there and agree to disagree tbh. | |
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Quote ="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on. |
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Quote ="Jukesays"100% This
100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on. | |
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The best thing I recently saw from a top virologist about vaccines was the below (wish I had saved a link to it now), but in essence it was that the three shots we have received aren't just three of the same:
Vaccine 1 is a bit like having primary school education. It gives you the building blocks in the fight against Covid.
Vaccine 2 compares to secondary school, a slightly more effective shot building on from the first thus giving some extra protection.
Booster shot was like University and is by far the strongest and best vaccine to be very effective against delta (90%+) and reasonably effective against Omicron (70%+).
Will try find said link.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on.'"
I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
Genuinely I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t think you had a point - you do. Alongside Jukesays I don’t [imassively [/idisagree. I still think we should just be cracking on though. End restrictions, encourage vaccinations (both double and booster) and get on with life. I’m not for one minute dumbing down how vicious it has been and I sincerely hope I haven’t come across that way. I’m by no means anti vax or anything like that but the time is now to get on with it. Let people live their lives. I also think, much like Brexit was for May, this (alongside him being just a pure belligerent liar and con artist) will see the end of De Pffeffel. | | |
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| Quote ="MattyB"I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
"Edit - just realised you meant why risk it in regards to getting a booster etc.
The last question is an important one and the answer will be different to each person.
I live on my own and the ski holiday which has been cancelled, is realistically my only chance at a holiday this year. It's a lads trip so, no partners etc. I could go away on my own in the summer, but would I really want to? Id happily risk it at the min.
I saw the Welsh Health Expert say something like "I want to see family this Xmas and not go to clubs or sporting events.". That's great for him, but many don't want that. Many,. especially the younger generation, want to meet up with friends instead of family. I'm sure there would be many on here who'd take a game of rugby over a family meal etc. | | |
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper""Edit - just realised you meant why risk it in regards to getting a booster etc.
The last question is an important one and the answer will be different to each person.
I live on my own and the ski holiday which has been cancelled, is realistically my only chance at a holiday this year. It's a lads trip so, no partners etc. I could go away on my own in the summer, but would I really want to? Id happily risk it at the min.
I saw the Welsh Health Expert say something like "I want to see family this Xmas and not go to clubs or sporting events.". That's great for him, but many don't want that. Many,. especially the younger generation, want to meet up with friends instead of family. I'm sure there would be many on here who'd take a game of rugby over a family meal etc.'"
Ah.. I think I screwed up my response on the last post. When I meant 'why risk it' I meant not having any more jabs after the booster to remain highly protected which was probably aimed at 100% warrior rather than yourself. Sorry about that.
I fully agree that we should get on with life where we can. Like I said in an earlier post, I went to the cinema a couple of days ago and I'm meeting up with some friends tonight. Yes I'm taking a slight risk that could potentially affect Christmas Day plans and a few jobs I have between now and the end of the year (I'm self employed) plus I have a holiday booked mid Jan.
I know I'm taking that risk, I've thought about it. I could just stay in.
But I 'need' some down time with mates and as long as its still legal (we aren't locked down yet) then it's a risk I'm willing to take.
On the brighter side I'm hoping that in 6 weeks things are looking more positive and people can watch the team feeling relatively safe. | | | |
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| Quote ="MattyB"I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
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| Quote ="MattyB"The best thing I recently saw from a top virologist about vaccines was the below (wish I had saved a link to it now), but in essence it was that the three shots we have received aren't just three of the same:
Vaccine 1 is a bit like having primary school education. It gives you the building blocks in the fight against Covid.
Vaccine 2 compares to secondary school, a slightly more effective shot building on from the first thus giving some extra protection.
Booster shot was like University and is by far the strongest and best vaccine to be very effective against delta (90%+) and reasonably effective against Omicron (70%+).
Will try find said link.'"
100% correct
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Quote ="MattyB"I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician? |
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Quote ="MattyB"I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician? | |
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Quote ="post"Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician?'"
That top link by Sarah Gilbert is three months old.
This is from last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ab-creator
Quote Gilbert said the new variant contained mutations already known to increase transmissibility of the virus and that antibodies induced by vaccination or previous infections might be less effective at preventing infection with Omicron. But she also said reduced protection against infection “does not necessarily mean reduced protection against severe disease and death”. Gilbert added: “Until we know more, we should be cautious, and take steps to slow down the spread of this new variant.”
'"
By the way, looks like the "Oxford" jab that most adults over thirty in the UK have had two of seems to be the worst performer of protection of them all by some distance whether against Delta or Omicron. So in our rush to ensure the "British people had British jabs" we now may be at a disadvantage. Luckily Pfizer came in with their booster to save the day. Maybe Sarah should keep her head down for a bit. |
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Quote ="post"Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician?'"
That top link by Sarah Gilbert is three months old.
This is from last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ab-creator
Quote Gilbert said the new variant contained mutations already known to increase transmissibility of the virus and that antibodies induced by vaccination or previous infections might be less effective at preventing infection with Omicron. But she also said reduced protection against infection “does not necessarily mean reduced protection against severe disease and death”. Gilbert added: “Until we know more, we should be cautious, and take steps to slow down the spread of this new variant.”
'"
By the way, looks like the "Oxford" jab that most adults over thirty in the UK have had two of seems to be the worst performer of protection of them all by some distance whether against Delta or Omicron. So in our rush to ensure the "British people had British jabs" we now may be at a disadvantage. Luckily Pfizer came in with their booster to save the day. Maybe Sarah should keep her head down for a bit. | |
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Quote ="post"Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician?'"
2 months plus before the omicron variant - As the vaccine was holding up well to the original stains etc. At that time she also said boosters were not as much as a priority as was getting the 1st shot into millions of peoples arms who hadn't had any vaccine across the world
Recent article
Dame Sarah Gilbert advices people to get the booster
Dame Sarah Gilbert has most recently said that everyone who qualifies should get the booster jab. |
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Quote ="post"Dr Sarah Gilbert who invented the Astra Zeneca vaccine saying the only people who should have boosters are the immune supressed and elderly. However you will be getting your booster because Sajid Javid (Banker) decided to booster you. This is regardless of prior infection, level of antibodies or T cell memory which if we go off SARS-COV-1 or SARS which is 80% similar to covid, those infected 17 years ago still have T cells to fight it off and don't need to be jabbed every year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ry-for-all
Dr Robert Malone who invented mRNA vaccine tech explaining we should not be injectinf kids.
https://twitter.com/france_soir/status/ ... iz8ug&s=19
Now with Omicron being like a cold we are rolling out the booster to everyone? And the boosted seem to not want to be the only ones boosted for some reason so are cajoling everyone else into getting boosted.
We would be better off having zinc and vitimin D, exersizing, not eating glucose/fructose syrup or sweeteners which stop us from absorbing vitimin D and the only people getting the booster should be the immune supressed and over 65s AFTER they have been checked for antibodies. But antibodies aren't the bodies only defence and a lack of antibodies doesn't mean you haven't had it or aren't protected, we have T cells which are far superior. But it would cost far too much to send everyone for a T cell and antibody check so they just roll out the booster, by order of an ex banker in a corrupt party that wont follow the rules.
If you cannot see the BS you are naive, misinformed or guillable.
For the record, I dont do facebook, I don't get my medical advicr from Julie from facebook who thinks Bill Gates is watching us. I take Zinc and Vit D, I'm healthy, I run 3 times a week, I've had 2 x AZ, I take precautions eg FFP3 mask in public and last week I did an antibodies test and I have antibodies.
So on that basis, do I take the advice of the Dr who invented the vaccine or a politician?'"
2 months plus before the omicron variant - As the vaccine was holding up well to the original stains etc. At that time she also said boosters were not as much as a priority as was getting the 1st shot into millions of peoples arms who hadn't had any vaccine across the world
Recent article
Dame Sarah Gilbert advices people to get the booster
Dame Sarah Gilbert has most recently said that everyone who qualifies should get the booster jab. | |
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Quote ="MattyB"That top link by Sarah Gilbert is three months old.
This is from last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ab-creator
By the way, looks like the "Oxford" jab that most adults over thirty in the UK have had two of seems to be the worst performer of protection of them all by some distance whether against Delta or Omicron. So in our rush to ensure the "British people had British jabs" we now may be at a disadvantage. Luckily Pfizer came in with their booster to save the day. Maybe Sarah should keep her head down for a bit.'"
Beat me to it
As an earlier poster said, people wanting to find evidence to the Answrr they've already decided.
I wouldn't say she should keep her head down though Matty ?
Think that is a very harsh summation given the Context
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Quote ="MattyB"That top link by Sarah Gilbert is three months old.
This is from last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ab-creator
By the way, looks like the "Oxford" jab that most adults over thirty in the UK have had two of seems to be the worst performer of protection of them all by some distance whether against Delta or Omicron. So in our rush to ensure the "British people had British jabs" we now may be at a disadvantage. Luckily Pfizer came in with their booster to save the day. Maybe Sarah should keep her head down for a bit.'"
Beat me to it
As an earlier poster said, people wanting to find evidence to the Answrr they've already decided.
I wouldn't say she should keep her head down though Matty ?
Think that is a very harsh summation given the Context
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Beat me to it
As an earlier poster said, people wanting to find evidence to the Answrr they've already decided.
I wouldn't say she should keep her head down though Matty ?
Think that is a very harsh summation given the Context
The Pfizer booster has helped'"
By the time we'd had our 2nd AZ jab the vast majority of other countries (if not all) had dropped it as an option due to blood clot worries. The UK did a u-turn by refusing to administer AZ to under 30's.
Even now for adults with 1st and 2nd jabs AZ is not being offered out in the UK.
Must be warehouses of the stuff left cause they ordered tens of millions. Might as well give it away under the covax scheme. | | |
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| Quote ="MattyB"The best thing I recently saw from a top virologist about vaccines was the below (wish I had saved a link to it now), but in essence it was that the three shots we have received aren't just three of the same:
Vaccine 1 is a bit like having primary school education. It gives you the building blocks in the fight against Covid.
Vaccine 2 compares to secondary school, a slightly more effective shot building on from the first thus giving some extra protection.
Booster shot was like University and is by far the strongest and best vaccine to be very effective against delta (90%+) and reasonably effective against Omicron (70%+).
Will try find said link.'"
and that is the trouble......we have a lot of uneducated people in this country, who prefer to take their 'facts' from 'Barry' on twitter rather than experts, (who have legitimate qualifications, over and above the secondary school level.)
Using your analogy, it may be fine to say I’m not going to educate myself beyond secondary school level as I don’t want to become a dentist (or other role you need higher qualifications for), but when it’s your health, surely you do the best possible, not merely the adequate?
The ‘I cant be bothered with the hassle’ and ‘I’ve been vaxxed twice, cant be doing with it any more….’ Seems very alien to me…..did you never have a second interview for a job? …stop at two driving lessons? Two visits to the dentist?
At the end of the day, the choice is yours, and I don’t advocate compulsory vaccinations, but don’t come crying to me when you can’t get in to your favourite leisure activity because you don’t have the vaccination status the government has deemed a requirement.....or worse still....when you’re dead……maybe then, that hour out of your day to get boosted might have seemed a good idea. | | |
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"I’m not too proud to sit back and say I was wrong, I’ve done it many times on here and no doubt many times again.
Where I don’t need to educate myself though is the absolute fact that this is going nowhere. Double jabbed plus booster or not. It will evolve, develop new variants. What do we do? Continue with restrictions for the rest of our lives? I know friends who locked down last year and missed the chance to see their relative one last time who suddenly died. I don’t can’t carry on doing this every few months. The winter always brings an upsurge in hospitalisations through flu, it was in the papers every year so it’s no shock to see an uplift in hospitalisations
We will see.'"
So what should we do in the meantime?
Let everyone get it, hospitals over run, loads of deaths from Covid and guess what deaths from other serious illnesses that don't get the right attention and care because of Covid.
As knowledge and medicine develops, the risk and impact of such mutations should decrease. Chris Witty explained it the other day that he has a 5 year view on what will happen and each 6 months gets better than the last because of advances in medicine.
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Without getting in to debates about the ins and outs of all Covid aspects and just sticking to vaccines, this is my view-
Unless your medically unable to have them, just bloody have them. Don’t use the Tories being tories for reasons not to. Help yourself, your loved ones and the general community by having them. Thank your lucky stars you have access to them and aren’t stuck in a country where people have struggled to get access to even one jab. Things aren’t great but my god, they’d be a damn site worse had millions of people not done their (extremely small) bit and had the vaccines on offer.
There’s an element of people across society who see a vaccine as one part of them being told ‘what to do’ and they don’t like it. It could be a vaccine, a curfew, a rule to wear a mask or just parking space lines on Asda, they’ll not want to stick to any of it because that is their personality and in some cases I think they get a thrill from going ‘against the grain’.
I can take all sides of arguments on lockdowns and general rules being put in place but not on vaccines. Unless you’re able to refuse on medical grounds there’s no excuse.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Like Magnets, I’ve not been told anything but have opted for the antibodies test.'" had a text saying mine was coming soon. Just a case of dripping some blood into a container and sending it off ... simples!! Feeling better today no shivers at least. But still no taste or smell!!! How you feeling pemps lad? | | | |
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