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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"I could not have put it better myself and what has taken place during the last three years or so will remind many older supporters of the position the club was in at the end of the seventies when after a decade of failure, falling crowds, different coaches, poor signings and a terrible financial situation, the then board of directors asked a certain Maurice Lindsay to become Financial Director which led to the club being taken over by him and Jack Hilton, Tom Rathbone and Jack Robinson and a period of stability and success.
Perhaps, the time has come for the same thing to happen again and start afresh with new ownership, management and a more experienced and proven coach as well as the recruitment of better, bigger and more experienced players.
Otherwise, I can only see the club again going deeper into a period of failure, again falling crowds and a even worse financial situation like that of the seventies.'"
It’s not that simple unless you know someone with odd £20m or so to buy the club and won’t expect the money back in his or her lifetime. That’s why I’m so frustrated and worried what the future holds.
IL in the first 8 years or so of his tenure for me was top class in terms of his management and delivery.
Since then it’s been a torturous decline and we haven’t hit the bottom yet.
Uncle Maurice had great foresight but little or no money. His second stint he almost finished the club off.
I’d love someone with the “front” of Maurice with millions in the bank but that would fantasyland or an impossibility.
Rathbone had little say in the running of the club and Robinson made some poor decisions during his chairmanship so it wasn’t all roses even when we were successful. We lucky to have secured 3 great coaches in 10 years of almost unbroken success enabled by professional dedicated rugby players.
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| Biggest shame for me is these last few years (and pos the next) will tarnish the Leneghan legacy...possibly the best owner and administrator we’ve ever had until the last few years, but people are only going to remember this show and decisions to appoint peet etc that make it worse.
The off season is huge for us and a huge indication of the clubs ambition...we’re either heading for the early 80s again as some have said, or he can do something to turn it around!
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| Quote ="post"In the fans forum, he said we are spent up for next year? How in the actual flip are we spent up with the players we have lost and the players we are gaining? Serious mismanagement of the cap and like others have said there ia no stardust in any of the signings.'"
IL said we had £75K left and then KR corrected him and said we also had an amount put to one side for a halfback. People assume that's £150k. So £225k left. We've then obviously got a bit of wriggle room regrading marquee signings.
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"Biggest shame for me is these last few years (and pos the next) will tarnish the Leneghan legacy...possibly the best owner and administrator we’ve ever had until the last few years, but people are only going to remember this show and decisions to appoint peet etc that make it worse.
The off season is huge for us and a huge indication of the clubs ambition...we’re either heading for the early 80s again as some have said, or he can do something to turn it around!'"
The decision on Peet could make things worse but they could make things a damn site better. It’s not you in particular but many people seem to be writing off Peet as a basket case before he’s even started. It’s only fair IMO that we give him a fair shot. It isn’t a given he’ll crash and burn at all, it isn’t a given he’ll just continue to plod away with our current style of concentrating on nilling teams and playing the most boring brand of rugby I’ve ever seen a team play etc. He could be sat there as frustrated as everyone else with how things have been going and be bursting with ideas of how he can change things. We better hope he is anyway.
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Perhaps, the time has come for the same thing to happen again and start afresh with new ownership, management and a more experienced and proven coach as well as the recruitment of better, bigger and more experienced players.
Otherwise, I can only see the club again going deeper into a period of failure, again falling crowds and a even worse financial situation like that of the seventies.'"
Took longer than I thought for the resident troll to throw a "gang of four" post at us
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The decision on Peet could make things worse but they could make things a damn site better. It’s not you in particular but many people seem to be writing off Peet as a basket case before he’s even started. It’s only fair IMO that we give him a fair shot. It isn’t a given he’ll crash and burn at all, it isn’t a given he’ll just continue to plod away with our current style of concentrating on nilling teams and playing the most boring brand of rugby I’ve ever seen a team play etc. He could be sat there as frustrated as everyone else with how things have been going and be bursting with ideas of how he can change things. We better hope he is anyway.'"
That’s pretty much my last bastion of hope and why, in my own self delusional it would seem, I’m clinging on by the last thread of my fingernails to the ‘we’ve a bright future’ notion.
Although at this point having re watched the game I’m wondering why I’m even bothering anymore. I can’t remember enjoying a Wigan game in a long time, I just can’t even be bothered speaking about Wigan anymore.
I’m relieved we were beaten and the season is done.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"That’s pretty much my last bastion of hope and why, in my own self delusional it would seem, I’m clinging on by the last thread of my fingernails to the ‘we’ve a bright future’ notion.
Although at this point having re watched the game I’m wondering why I’m even bothering anymore. I can’t remember enjoying a Wigan game in a long time, I just can’t even be bothered speaking about Wigan anymore.
I’m relieved we were beaten and the season is done.'"
Exactly the same as me. I sit there bored out of obligation and i'm almost glad when somethng comes up that means I can't go. I've never felt less excited about watching Wigan....without any signs of change next year I think it will be even worse. Tbh i'll probably give up and start watching more NRL.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The decision on Peet could make things worse but they could make things a damn site better. It’s not you in particular but many people seem to be writing off Peet as a basket case before he’s even started. It’s only fair IMO that we give him a fair shot. It isn’t a given he’ll crash and burn at all, it isn’t a given he’ll just continue to plod away with our current style of concentrating on nilling teams and playing the most boring brand of rugby I’ve ever seen a team play etc. He could be sat there as frustrated as everyone else with how things have been going and be bursting with ideas of how he can change things. We better hope he is anyway.'"
I think fans are concerned about the new coach appointment ia because no matter how bad that coach does thet won't be sacked. So giving Peet a chance isn't see how he goes and if he does well then good, if he does bad then get rid, fans are worried that if he does do bad we are stuck with hin because IL doesn't want to sack a coach
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Huge concern of mine as well. I honestly wonder what it would take for IL to sack a coach - bottom? Adrift by 6pts? Does it really have to get that bad? We for some bizarre reason decided to stick with Lam even when Stevie Wonder could see us for what we were. We had a chance in May/June to get rid, if we’d have done that I wonder where we’d be now. I’m not for one minute suggesting GF contenders but if bet my bottom dollar we wouldn’t have lost 14-0 then 8-0 to that Leeds side at home.
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| Quote ="post"I think fans are concerned about the new coach appointment ia because no matter how bad that coach does thet won't be sacked. So giving Peet a chance isn't see how he goes and if he does well then good, if he does bad then get rid, fans are worried that if he does do bad we are stuck with hin because IL doesn't want to sack a coach'"
The length of the deal will be interesting. I can’t see it being more than a year but if it is 2 or 3 years than I’d hold those same fears. Hopefully Peet will do the business though. I’ll throw my (vast) weight behind him anyway and back him because he at least deserves us to do that. This seasons been a nightmare and boring beyond belief but the good parts have been without the ball, so there’s no reason to doubt he can do the job he’s given on that basis.
I wish the guy well.
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It would be an interesting one, I don't see Wigan as a team that lacks effort/discipline necessarily so it would be more about the coaches around him than him.
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thats why I wont buy a season ticket, I can just stop going if its a car crash and I know thats how the season will be and maybe longer under IL
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He was after the Wakefield job, I’m guessing he will end up at Salford.
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Paul Rowley nailed on for the Salford job apparently but if they used their heads and appointed Brian Mac they’ll be far better off
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The length of the deal will be interesting. I can’t see it being more than a year but if it is 2 or 3 years than I’d hold those same fears. Hopefully Peet will do the business though. I’ll throw my (vast) weight behind him anyway and back him because he at least deserves us to do that. This seasons been a nightmare and boring beyond belief but the good parts have been without the ball, so there’s no reason to doubt he can do the job he’s given on that basis.
I wish the guy well.'"
Fully agree. I understand where some are coming from but ultimately Lam has gone and a new guy, whether he’s from the club or not, is coming in with new ideas and a new system. Proof of that is Wane after Mags with both styles and approach being vastly different.
We should all throw our full support behind Peet and his team. If it goes wrong, it goes wrong and he wouldn’t have been my choice - I’ve been quite clear in that I feel we needed a coaching clear out - but he doesn’t deserve to be starting off with fans against him.
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well I would be as I was one and a wigan tv subscriber, lotto and merchandise buyer so I was fuelling this garbage you are correct
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The length of the deal will be interesting. I can’t see it being more than a year but if it is 2 or 3 years than I’d hold those same fears. Hopefully Peet will do the business though. I’ll throw my (vast) weight behind him anyway and back him because he at least deserves us to do that. This seasons been a nightmare and boring beyond belief but the good parts have been without the ball, so there’s no reason to doubt he can do the job he’s given on that basis.
I wish the guy well.'"
It's one thing having the self belief to think you can coach a team but the reality is you need experience. As we found out with Lam, who was learning on the job, the head coaches job at Wigan deserves someone witha bit of experience, it isn't London Broncos cosch where coaches go to learn their trade, Wigan is the pinacle not the training ground. If Peet harbours ambition to become Wigan coach then he needs to go and earn his stripes down at London Broncos and not give it to someone who did well at Westhoughton Lions with all due respect.
We need someone who suits our club and players, we need them to have experience coaching in the top flight at club level and a winner or someone with a better squad could become that winner.
Off the top of my head you are looking at Ian Watson, Daryl Powell, maybe Tony Smith, Steve McNamara (stop giggling at the back), Michael McGuire. Shane Flannagan and bring Kyle with him,
Ideal world money no object it would be Craig Bellamy but we know that would never happen. We need to appoint a coach to suit our team and not just a good coach who is available, we have a lot of good young players who need bringing on and we need to improve the rugby on show, for that reason Wane is out, I seriously used to think Steve McNamara was ths worst coach going but I think he would do well at Wigan now.
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We need someone who suits our club and players, we need them to have experience coaching in the top flight at club level and a winner or someone with a better squad could become that winner.
Off the top of my head you are looking at Ian Watson, Daryl Powell, maybe Tony Smith, Steve McNamara (stop giggling at the back), Michael McGuire. Shane Flannagan and bring Kyle with him,
Ideal world money no object it would be Craig Bellamy but we know that would never happen. We need to appoint a coach to suit our team and not just a good coach who is available, we have a lot of good young players who need bringing on and we need to improve the rugby on show, for that reason Wane is out, I seriously used to think Steve McNamara was ths worst coach going but I think he would do well at Wigan now.'"
Like Wane did? Or Madge? Or Graeme West?
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Check mate.
Add in Holbrook too. Oh and that guy called Bellamy (ironically that he wants) who went from an assistant to head coach too.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"It’s not that simple unless you know someone with odd £20m or so to buy the club and won’t expect the money back in his or her lifetime. That’s why I’m so frustrated and worried what the future holds.
IL in the first 8 years or so of his tenure for me was top class in terms of his management and delivery.
Since then it’s been a torturous decline and we haven’t hit the bottom yet.
Uncle Maurice had great foresight but little or no money. His second stint he almost finished the club off.
I’d love someone with the “front” of Maurice with millions in the bank but that would fantasyland or an impossibility.
Rathbone had little say in the running of the club and Robinson made some poor decisions during his chairmanship so it wasn’t all roses even when we were successful. We lucky to have secured 3 great coaches in 10 years of almost unbroken success enabled by professional dedicated rugby players.'"
If you had read my posting proper, I was not on about what happen after the gang of four took over, but the poor state of the club during the seventies, where finance, signings and success on the field was concerned which led to the club altering the way it was run ie. a board of ten directors replaced by just four which is still the case today.
A current situation which today, is now similar to that of what happen at the end of the seventies both in finance and the playing side of the club where the quality of the squad and coaching staff is concerned.
As far as I am concerned, the time has come for new ownership with more and better investment, and a complete overhaul of the club, especially with the age of of the present owner who now appears to be less involved in the running of the club than what he use to be a while ago.
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The same Brian McDermott who was Coach of the Rhinos at the time they had a great squad, led by Kevin Sinfield, Jamie Jones Bucannan, Danny MaGuire, Kyle Leulai.
When most of that squad broke up, McDermott was exposed as not being as good a Coach as some supporters seemed to think he was!
Apart from being at Toronto Wolfpack when mainly in the Championship, no other Super League club show any interest in him as being their Coach.
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When most of that squad broke up, McDermott was exposed as not being as good a Coach as some supporters seemed to think he was!
Apart from being at Toronto Wolfpack when mainly in the Championship, no other Super League club show any interest in him as being their Coach.
And neither should Wigan!'"
Brian Mac is a proven coach. If you’re suggesting that Leeds team didn’t need coaching you’re delusional. A Leeds team that finished 5th - twice - and won the competition? A Leeds team that, let’s be absolutely realistic here, was gearing up for a generational change. Leeds should have stuck with Brian Mac. I guarantee they’d be far better off than they are.
Plenty of SL teams have shown interest. Salford, Wakey, Cas, Wire, Hull but to name a few but that won’t fit your exceptionally narrow narrative would it?
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