I'm not sure that swings it much

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As a wire fan I thought you were miles quicker at the play the ball. You lost cos you've got seriously NO attacking talent in your team(which is bad for the game!). Warrington were awful tonight and still won by 13 points. The game is in trouble

I thought we had improved over last few weeks, though that's not hard as we was shot with injuries and confidence. French covered up a lot of our lack of cut last season. Hastings is playing his nuts off but without cut off our other play makers it's a tough ask. I think you can carry one half with no running threat but not two or in our case three.
I don't think we got the bounce of the ball which happens but I do disagree that the call on Marshall didn't cost us a real chance of the win. I have not seen it since I got home but on the screen it was accidental contact to the head a clear penalty. I'm not a ref basher but no excuses for not going to the screen?
I thought we was well on top first half and they scored against the run of play.
We should have gone in with a two score difference or at least that's how it felt live, I always think it's different than on tv. Second half was 50-50 but the try changed the way the game went after that point.
I do not get Lams sub thoughts or structure.
If your on the bench and offer enough to get there and then if you also offer something that we miss badly(a ball player who can run) then why wait to the last 5 minutes to play him when games gone.
Is Clarke or Bullock injured because a twenty minute stint off either would have been more bennificial than having a hooker sat on the bench for 75.
I also think having our best half in the halves would be worth a go.
Can't argue with the efforts and I'm sure Zack Bateman Field and Smithies will add plenty to a team that for me though flat with the ball was not far off tonight . I have found us frustrating to watch for the last 5 or 6 seasons we make the easy hard and the hard impossible. We are not without talent but whatever we are coached makes us look like it!

I’m just baffled what goes on in the week on the training field because we certainly don’t look to have an idea of what the attacking game plan is out on the field. It’s hard to even describe what it is that we’re producing with the ball. It’s just 80 minutes of nothingness. No off the cuff plays, no set moves, no offloading game, no power game, just nothing, literally nothing.

It’s a shame that such a great player for us will leave this club after his time coaching us and when people mention his name in years to come, it’ll send a shudder through me and I’ll think of him in negative terms but it’s been truly dreadful to watch us these last few seasons. We’re averaging 15 points a game this season and that’s less per game on average than Leigh (who average 16 points). In our last 9 games we’re averaging 10 points per game. It’s is just astonishingly poor and whilst we may have a few injuries to contend with, it’s just no excuse for numbers that low.

Is it, though? The laws of the game state: A player is guilty of misconduct if he, when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.

I certainly don't think what Charnley did was intentional or reckless. Careless? I think you could argue that either way.

For what it's worth, I think it should have gone to the video ref, but I'm not sure how he would have ruled it.

I think Wigan play as though they have practised moves in training and usually move it well from wing to wing.
Warrington didn’t seem to have a move in them but their strong athletic players are good at offloading the ball which creates chances.
Wigan have only one player who can regularly offload and we all know who he is.
Off the cuff play often creates tries and we can’t do it.
I was pleased with the effort and the game was entertaining.
The one failing was the appalling decision of the referee which killed the game off for Wigan.

Hicks was right on top of the collision between Marshall and Charnley.
Up until the replay after Lam slated Hicks, I too thought it could have had a VT run, however Hicks who was closest and saw exactly what we all saw with the close up after the Lam interview, that he was 100% correct not to go to the screen.
The close up shown Marshall moving towards the centre field and into Charnley’s shin with his head and Charnley unable to get out of the way.
Also what the video didn’t show, was Marshall thumping the ground just after he lost the ball. That was only visible from the stands as it was off camera as Mamo sprints clear.
So the question is, if the ref is 100% sure with what he saw, (and the reply backs up that decision), why is it, we are getting calls for, ‘it should have gone to the screen!”?
It obviously shouldn’t because Hicks was 100% sure and 100% correct.

He had hold of the ball until he was kicked in the head you dumb f*ckwit!

Nope. He was acting. Marshall thumped the ground when he lost the ball, as
Mamo was away. The camera followed Mamo and Marshall ground thump wasn’t seen on tv. Unless there is a 4/5 second delay getting ‘clearly knocked out’!?

He’s not stupid. Marshall milked it, he was not knocked out, after he lost the ball and thumped the ground, he suddenly became prone.

It's a penalty even if he was acting. He only lost the ball through contact to the head. I can't imagine many watching the prone player In that situation and if he wasn't injured with the game still only at two scores then going off. Sounds like your talking which reading this site regularly is so very unusual .

And I thought that they had closed Winwick Hospital, how silly of me! If Marshall was acting then how did he fail an HIA? Obviously, there is some sort of conspiracy going on.

He needs to go, was sick of seeing his annoyed/baffled face on sky whenever things werent going well, like this isn’t down to his own terrible decisions and bad coaching.

The scoreline. It shows just how bad Wigan played that they couldn't even go into the break ahead...

Think you might want to brush up on the rules yourself there bud. Accidental things aren't penalties, they're accidents. I do think it should have gone to the video ref to check whether it was intentional/reckless though.

That's where the ref went wrong.

An awful lot of people on here are assuming it was an accident (presumably because the offender was Charnley, who usually doesn't know what's going on in front of his nose let alone has time to kick it).

That's a big assumption when something is happening at game-speed.

But it's often been the case that accidental collision with the head has resulted in penalties. Rightly or wrongly, we've all seen it and been infuriated by it dozens of times.

It was typical of Hicks, the most snivelling excuse for a referee we've got (out of a whole selection of them) to choose this occasion to do nothing at all.

I’d love to get worked up about the decision but it’s not the reason we lose the game and it’s an easy excuse for Lam to hide behind. He should be appalled at the attack we’re serving up and that’s on him. We have far bigger worries with Lam in charge than a player being accidentally caught on the head. The attack is that bad it felt like game over at 14-8 anyway, as I didn’t see where anymore points were coming from.

That was the actual reason I started this thread.

I agreed with him about Hicks' pathetic error, but for him to then say that Wigan were the better team was not just churlish, it made him look ridiculous.

If he genuinely can't see where Wigan are going wrong at present, then he can't be a coach. It's that simple.

The more pertinent question for me is, how did we not beat a team with 44% completion in the first half and less than 60% across the whole game!

Warrington are a very poor side despite their spending, and can only occasionally turn it on and have a good day. Theyre another Castleford, which is why they'll never get near champions this year.

But the worrying thing for me was, Wire were so poor yet we were never really in the game. Dominated field position and possession yet lackluster and completely devoid of ideas near the line. We never looked like making a break and kicks were our best chance of scoring.

For Lam to come out and say that was 'outstanding' is baffling!

He's undermining his own credibility with his post match comments...I think possibly out of mistaken loyalty to the players and wanting to keep their heads up, but you can't give them false praise like that when the performance was dire! I'm no big fan of wanes, but he would have at least told it how it was last night, and ripped into them where he needed to.

You get the sense Lam goes into the dressing room and tells them how good they are, and they were just unlucky and unfairly treated on decisions. Yes, we got some baffling decisions against us last night (the mamo try and the bibby one at the end which should have been awarded), yet even with those decisions, we were still chasing the game and wire always looked the more likely. Regardless of how poor wire were!

Towards the end the players had lost the plot....the victim/ world is against us mentality had consumed them, and all their energy was going into feeling aggrieved (whether with reason or not). Thats a dangerous mindset and you're never going to win like that.

We need to sensibly assess last nights performance as nowhere near good enough against a poor side, rather than bury our head in the sand and find reasons why we were badly done to.

If Wane doesnt get the gig, would you have Maguire back? He seems to be on borrowed time at the Tigers as he has lost the dressing room and I cant see any other NRL team take a punt on him

I suggest every single person saying he was knocked out looks at the try again, he has a cheeky look at Mamo racing away then faces back down. Play acting at its finest. It’s ok to admit one of your players has tried to con the ref,

That was exactly what i said at the game.....at least lam has his excuse now! It was inevitable it was latched onto, yet, ridiculous try decision or not, we'd have still lost to an awful wire side. That was probably the worst ive seen wire play in a couple of years, yet they still outplayed us.

I'm generally a lam fan and think he's in an impossible position atm with the way the club have underfunded the team yet expected results. But he has to be realistic and has to expect better than that. To call that 'outstanding' and then blame marginal decisions which didn't affect the result, makes him look delusional!

I can’t even give him the excuse if us being under funded. Yes I’d like to have brought a good replacement in this season for George Burgess but he has a squad that is costing up towards the cap limit and the team has fallen that low we’re averaging ten points a game over the last 9 matches. That’s pretty much disgraceful and it’s unacceptable. I sat earlier and thought about who the worst team I’ve seen in Superleague history were and came up with Workington Town in 1996. They averaged just shy of 15 points per game in that season, roughly the same as we average this season overall and nearly 5 points a game more than we average in these last 9 games. Now clearly we’re much better overall and the games changed but it’s a real eye opener about just how appalling our attack is.

The guy just can’t get performances out of anybody on a regular basis. He’s got two props in Bullock and Clark who can at least dent the line and just refuses to pick them. We’ve seen loads of players go backwards and very very few, if any improve. He’s doing more harm than good with the young players by flogging them and the end of this season can’t come quick enough. I feel for the players really. The effort is great but they look as lost as I am on what the game plan is.

Be bitter. It makes me happy.

He did, and if you were along the stand in the right position to follow Mamo and still see Marshall, you would have seen Marshall thump the ground. That wasn’t picked up on camera, the camera was following play. At that point he was suddenly prone knocked out!
And if he has failed a head assessment, I would say he’s let Wigan down, as he has took his kid-ologies too far and made himself unavailable for Sunday. We have all bluffed a bad back to get a day off work or being concussed at some point in our life. It’s not difficult to pretend your knocked out.