I think the reference has been made before, but he's very much a Simon Haughton player, rather than a Denis Betts.

What's his contract situation?

Must admit, when he was at saints i wasn't a massive fan, but its undeniable that he's genetically gifted.

Very good going forward, but awful in defence, didn't miss tackles because he was nowhere to be seen, i was very surprised when went to the nrl, but thought maybe he could sort his defence out like elliot whitehead did(similarish player).

AS many of you guys have mentioned, he's not got the dog mentality of a wigan pack player.

I think the toughness comment is very fair.

It’s also relative to others he is competing against.

Nobody is saying he is soft not many who take to a rugby field pro or otherwise could be described as soft.

I think however maybe his physical gifts are partly responsible for his lack of mental toughness.

I’m assuming he came through the grassroutrs game without too many difficulties or having to work too hard given his size and athleticism.

He joined a strong Saints set up and again looked to walk through the Academy and into first team fairly quickly.

He was in a very strong Saints side surrounded by good players.

Then off he went to the Titans, maybe too young and not having ever really needed to struggle or face consistent struggles on the field. Week in week out at the Titans you are going to face that and obviously he didn’t step up to the mark.

He just looks to me like a lad who had it too easy in his crucial development stage and never developed that toughness he needs to kick on.

Maybe the Leeds move will be a kick in the that he needs and it is t too late for him to kick on and become the player his physical gifts could make him, time will tell, but I doubt it.

I’ve no doubt though he may pick his times turn turn up every time he plays Wigan in the future.

Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

O come on you had Simon Haughton, ive seen football players role about less than he did after Mcdermotts high tackle in the CC in 99 even his own team mates where embarrassed by that.

Then again we had Paul Medley, Medley could gave been the best Forward in the World

Maybe he's fed up with his own situation. 2018 he was excellent, an outstanding 2nd rower.
Last year it all went wrong with his head injuries. When they go off with a head injury and have the HIA it is not the player's decision whether they return to the field or not.
We don't know what has been said to him at the club. Maybe they've wanted him to go out on loan for some time and there wasn't a club that could accommodate him. A 2 month loan is an odd one, can't remember the last one of those.
If he hits form does anyone think he'll return, or stay at Leeds?
If he hit top form then I'd have him back. If he doesn't then what happens then?

just like Karl Pryce

thats what he said

I think this is a smart move from a Leeds perspective, just what they need in the forwards and it’s an opportunity for him to put himself in the shop window, feels like more of a trial than a loan move.

Good luck to him.

I dont think Medley was the best forward in his house....

He was the best forward in his bank though.
Power pace try scorer, add to lazy lacklustre no bottle. Ended up a great water carrier at the Bulls.

one man bank? as 64 year old Ethel from mortgages could probably have gone round him

A fee or free?? Get him off the wages if he is not going to be picked.

If it means Wells getting some time I have no problem with this.

If touch wood, ISA or Farrell miss game time.

I’d be happy for Wells to have a return to the first team.

Or Smithies to move to Second row, he’s great but my minor criticism of his is he doesn’t make many yards. Could suit behind further out wide, considering we have so many “middles” available.

Why did Gold Coast Titans sign him then, if he was doing nothing at Saints?

And I would not say that a couple of head injuries were hardly a "slight bang" in a physical game like rugby League.

He was not the only one!

I know the conditions were bad, but the whole team looked disinterested judging by the number of mistakes, players not talking to each other or consoling each other if they made a mistake.

Even Manfredi made mistakes and I saw nothing in the game to warrant his early return to the first team.

If the Reserves played the same way against a better team like St Helens, it is hardly surprising they were beaten so easily.

You’ve misinterpreted both points. Firstly I said he didn’t look like a Wigan player, not that he didn’t look like any teams type of player. Wigan were famed for bringing through and bringing in gritty competitors with an aggressive edge and he was never that. Secondly I’ve not said his head injuries were ‘slight bangs’, I said that about the injuries that took him off the field after his comeback from the concussions. He went down like he’d been shot with a knee problem and a rib issue and looked like he was done for the season but both turned out to be very minor problems.

Interesting that Agar sees Greenwood as a prop rather than a back row. He certainly has the size and athleticism to make a good prop IMO. We might have missed a beat there but I don’t think his game time would have changed at all given who is in front of him at prop anyway.

When I saw they were moving him positions I assumed to Centre.

If he goes missing in the second row when the hard yards are required I’ve no idea what he is going to do as a prop.

I do though expect he will have a good start to his Leeds career until he secures a contract then performances will return to where they were for Wigan last year.

Hope I’m wrong but doubt it.

Not entirely sure it's a good idea to put someone with a (recent) history of concussions at prop, but Agar knows better than me. Allegedly.

And i thought the same thing. The problem most have with him at second row is not doing enough, so why move him to prop? Putting second rows at prop is a Wigan thing and even we didnt do that with him.

And why did Gold Coast Titans bin him off?
As for his poor game in the reserves, then had it been a one off then fair enough but was the same lackadaisical player v Leeds and Leigh in the warm up games, then again in the reserves game at Widnes.

Is it a case of him just not being happy at the club anymore? All you’ve stated are tell tale signs IMO

Who told you in the off season last year Greenwood would be out of the door?