Some of you need to remove your heads from your behinds.

The first half we were garbage, looked like startled rabbits however the defence was outstanding. Second half we were the better team and we will see them again on December 2nd and they have never looked more beatable. This is a very good English side.

As for world class players in SL, Jerry McGilvray & Ryan Hall comfortably the best 2 wingers in the world.

How good were the wingers!! McGillvary was simply fantastic and the NRL clubs must surely be queuing up.

We just need to be more boring for me. Test match rugby is different, at points in that second half we were banging away in their line at just 10-4 down but rather then play the territory with a kick to touch or in to the ingoal, we'd try and throw the big risk pass to the winger.

We can win this tournament, I'm convinced. We'll need to play better, we'll need some luck and we need to believe in ourselves more but I don't think today has done us any harm. Let's build some combinations now before what should be a challenging semi and see how far we can get.

Quote ="jonh"Some of you need to remove your heads from your behinds. The first half we were garbage, looked like startled rabbits however the defence was outstanding. Second half we were the better team and we will see them again on December 2nd and they have never looked more beatable. This is a very good English side. =#0000FFAs for world class players in SL, Jerry McGilvray & Ryan Hall comfortably the best 2 wingers in the world.'" Josh Addo-Carr walks all over them both. This guy would get a hat-trick every week in SL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ey_WQ9iIAY

Quote ="jonh"Some of you need to remove your heads from your behinds. The first half we were garbage, looked like startled rabbits however the defence was outstanding. Second half we were the better team and we will see them again on December 2nd and they have never looked more beatable. This is a very good English side. =#0000FFAs for world class players in SL, Jerry McGilvray & Ryan Hall comfortably the best 2 wingers in the world.'" Josh Addo-Carr walks all over them both. This guy would get a hat-trick every week in SL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ey_WQ9iIAY

Quote ="Cherry_Warrior"Josh Addo-Carr walks all over them both. This guy would get a hat-trick every week in SL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ey_WQ9iIAY'" Agree. Absolute mystery why he's not in the Australia team. Him and Vunivalu are the best wingers in the World. Then there's Rapana, Mansour, Oates, Cotric. Then you can start thinking about JMcG and Hall.

Quote ="Cherry_Warrior"Josh Addo-Carr walks all over them both. This guy would get a hat-trick every week in SL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ey_WQ9iIAY'" Agree. Absolute mystery why he's not in the Australia team. Him and Vunivalu are the best wingers in the World. Then there's Rapana, Mansour, Oates, Cotric. Then you can start thinking about JMcG and Hall.

I’d like a pint of what you’ve been having, neither winger are anywhere near the top five. Yes McGilvray had a decent game granted, but to say him and Hall are easily the best wingers in the world is laughable.

Wingers need to do more than just finish in the modern game. Hall and McGillvray make massive yards, and string under the high balls can tackle and finish.

People need to stop judging players off a highlights film and look at the bigger picture.

It is great seeing a winger put into space and given a run to the line, happens less and less often the higher up the standards you go.

I apologise for being overzealous last night with my remarks however i am sick to death of British fans talking down the sport our team yesterday who in the second half were superb and our players.

Hall and McGillvray are world class wingers, they have proven it at the top level consistently now for a number of years.

Between the laughable administration and the “supporters” of our code constantly talking our athletes down it is no wonder the game is struggling along.

I watched the game yesterday and the performance of McGilveray was solid at best. He cleared the ball dead a few times and took a few drives. I didn't see anything world class at all. In fact the drives by Holmes were far stronger than either McGilveray or Hall.
To describe them as world class wingers is miles off for me. If you pick your worlds best 13 (that's how I'd describe world class) , neither would be even considered.
We never looked like winning and after the first try, we never looked like scoring. It's a good job the aussies were off their game or we'd have been hammered again. Good goal line defence from our lads was the only real positive.

Interesting comments given how loudly and frequently you talk down your own club.

I’m highlighting the glaring issues with the club, not talking down top class players or undermining the sport because I don’t understand the sport or the fact one of the players does t play for my club.

I also don’t skate the players. I think we have a more than capable squad to compete and lift trophies, I have been highlighting the style of play and mentality of the coaching staff for a couple of years now like others and increasingly supporters and the club seem to acknowledge that.

I am 100% an internationalist to see a competitive England side is far more important to me than seeing a successful Wigan.

Claiming Jerry Mc’s yesterday as some have wasn’t world class is laughable. He was voted players and coaches man of the match.

McGulvary was a deserved MoM yesterday but to say he's world class after 1 good performances is what's laughable mate. As I said, it depends on your definition of world class and mine is as follows. If I choose a worlds best 13 then they're what I'd call world class. McGilveray is a good player but would get near my worlds best 13.

Named Worlds best winger last year and has been a stand out player for England every time he has played. Hardly judging him off the back of “one good game”.

I remember saying a while back that Ryan Hall, the WBW (!) is more like Josh Mansour. And I wasn't being facetious. Mansour, like Hall, is a big strong lad who carries the ball out of defence well and is a good finisher. But he's nowhere near being considered the best winger in the world. Same with Hall.

McGillvary certainly looked very good for England yesterday. I hope his good form continues. If it does, the NRL will surely come knocking. And that will be another of our best players lost from SL.

They have knocked a few times. He is highly unlikley to move overseas, his son is in the Man City youth system and is very well thought of.

Pleased to hear it. I hope you're right.

I think England are looking better because a number of our players are playing in the NRL.
I wish we had another dozen players of international class playing over there. I would gladly Wigan not win any trophies next year if England could win the World Cup. I suppose that’s an easy offer to make as I don’t think we will win anything ( still buying my season ticket and cheering them on.
Just wondering which players would make it big over there.
Obviously Roby but he’s too old to go now. Ward from Leeds? Williams? Percival and Bateman( both would need to bulk up)? McMeeken?

Can I just say that's a ludicrous way to decide what constitutes 'World Class'. Are you saying there can be only 2 world class props or 1 world class stand off? That's ridiculous! Wally Lewis and Brett Kenny both played 6 in the same era. Are you seriously suggesting only 1 of those was world class? Ditto Peter Sterling and Alfie Langer. History is littered with multiple world class players competing for the same jumper...and that's before we get to the world class players from other teams. World Class is ANY player who competes at the highest level on the world stage. Simple.

I didn't ask you to agree with me did I? If you were to pick a world 13 then yes, there would only be 2 props, 1 scrum half etc. The ones chosen would be world class in the choosers opinion. The others would not be in the world 13 because others are better than them, again in the chooser's opinion. I define world class as the best in the world in their position. How you choose to define it is up to you!

McGillvray’s stats from Friday included over 200m gained from 21 carries, 5 clean breaks, 2 attacking kicks an a try.

This is against the best team in the World.

Those are ridiculously good numbers, dare I say it. World class?

Yeah, let's just destroy SL altogether just so England can be a bit more competitive in a couple of matches per season...

We are leaking too many players as it is.

You'd have to think the worlds biggest clubs will be looking at him after Friday. He is one of those lads who plays better the bigger the game is and he'd go really well in the NRL.

He’s probably world class but you said him and Hall are “comfortably” the 2 best wingers in the World which is clearly not the case and there’s a clear distinction between the two criteria.

I think Hall has again shown every time he has played at th top level of international rugby he has been one of the best performers on the field usually in a comfortably beaten team.

Would love to know his try scoring ratio at internatin level against the Kiwis and Aussies.

Is this a serious answer? So if YOU defined World class as only the best player who ever played the game then the rest of us would just have to accept it? You've put on a public forum your definition of world class as if it's some sort if definitive definition and your reply when it's challenged is 'I didn't ask you to agree'? Too right I didn't agree because it's total nonsense!
Answer me the question I posed: Were Brett Kenny and Wally Lewis both world class in your opinion and, if not, which one wasn't?

McGillveray always plays really well for England but looks just ok for Huddersfield when ive seen him

In a nutshell.

I agree. Good player yes, Uses his size very well from short distances. Not a patch on at least 10 i could name though. A fully fit Manfredi is also better imo.

In my opinion of course. And to the poster who suggested that i think Addo-Carr is good because of a highlights video. Not so. I have seen him play the full 80 many times, I just posted that link up to show the ones who may not have seen him. He plays like that every game. He will end up one of the greatest wingers of all time, mark my words.