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| Expect Williams to sign a new contract soon as a marquee player as he'll only count £75k on the cap. Get the lad tied up for as long as possible.
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"Expect Williams to sign a new contract soon as a marquee player as he'll only count £75k on the cap. Get the lad tied up for as long as possible.'"
I wonder if Sam Tomkins salary cap value will now be £75K instead of the £100K it was before this new ruling?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I wonder if Sam Tomkins salary cap value will now be £75K instead of the £100K it was before this new ruling?'"
Assume it will go down to £75k now as he'll be regarded as club trained. Think it counts as £150k at the moment (?) so we should have an additional £150k to play with for next season given Tomkins reduction and the general increase.
Looks like the vote was 7-5 in favour of the various increases. Wigan, Salford and Wire voted in favour. The Guardian are chasing the full list of for and against.
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Surprising, but great news.
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Surprising, but great news.
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| This increase in the number of 'Marquee Players' effectively means the 'Salary Cap' is being made redundant does it not? As only Wigan use it at the moment (for Sam Tomkins salary), the increase to two allows us to effectively keep George Williams. I've no doubt that if IL wants three MPs in a year or so, he will get his way.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I wonder if Sam Tomkins salary cap value will now be £75K instead of the £100K it was before this new ruling?'"
If so this would be good news for our game.
However I'm confused because each club would be entitled to a dispensation for [u two Marquee Players whose Salary Cap value would be £175k [/u (but for the Regulation, see below).
"The Regulation" would distinguish between Marquee Players as follows: (i) Club Trained Marquee Players be deemed to have a Salary Cap Value of £75k; [u and (ii) all other Marquee Players be deemed to have a Salary Cap Value of £150k.
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So does a non club trained marquee player have a value against the cap of 175k or 150k?
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"If so this would be good news for our game.
However I'm confused because each club would be entitled to a dispensation for [u two Marquee Players whose Salary Cap value would be £175k [/u (but for the Regulation, see below).
"The Regulation" would distinguish between Marquee Players as follows: (i) Club Trained Marquee Players be deemed to have a Salary Cap Value of £75k; [u and (ii) all other Marquee Players be deemed to have a Salary Cap Value of £150k.
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So does a non club trained marquee player have a value against the cap of 175k or 150k?'"
£150k - you have to be paying them £175k or above for them to be able to be counted as a marquee player.
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| Also players signed from RU salary doesn't count on the cap for first year and only 50% second year.
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"£150k - you have to be paying them £175k or above for them to be able to be counted as a marquee player.'"
Thanks Andy, I must be thick because I still don't fully get it. Does it mean if you have a marque player whose earning 150k then his salary doesn't count on the cap, but if he's earning 175k or more then it does.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"This increase in the number of 'Marquee Players' effectively means the 'Salary Cap' is being made redundant does it not? As only Wigan use it at the moment (for Sam Tomkins salary), the increase to two allows us to effectively keep George Williams. I've no doubt that if IL wants three MPs in a year or so, he will get his way.'"
Considering how he's funding a huge chunk of Sam's salary out of his own pocket due to the marquee player rule (Sam barely playing will be salt in the wound), I'm not even sure whether he even would have wanted the 2nd MP slot. Gives Williams more bargaining power and will increase the external pressure from fans.
I sense from some people that they misunderstand what the marquee rule actually is. Clubs still have to pay the full salary, it just reduces what counts on the salary cap. Wigan are not flush as a club, far from it - we simply have a wealthy owner. But Lenagan is a business man and won't be willing to pour endless sums in to fund player salaries. I reckon only Salford and Warrington will be overly keen to spend more.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Also players signed from RU salary doesn't count on the cap for first year and only 50% second year.'"
So going off this Cas could get Solomoana back from RU on a 2 year deal but only count 50% of his wage for the 2nd year.
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| Isn't The RFL paying some of Tomkins' salary?
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"So going off this Cas could get Solomoana back from RU on a 2 year deal but only count 50% of his wage for the 2nd year.'"
I think it may apply to any club? It's just "getting them back into the sport".
So Wire could sign Charnley and 0% of his salary would count first year, 50% second year, 100% third year.
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"Thanks Andy, I must be thick because I still don't fully get it. Does it mean if you have a marque player whose earning 150k then his salary doesn't count on the cap, but if he's earning 175k or more then it does.'"
The club must be paying him at least £175k to count as marquee but only £150k would count against the cap. So lets say Wire get Cronk for £300k a season next year, only £150k would count on Wire's cap. If Wire paid him £174k a year he wouldn't be regarded as a marquee player and the full £174k would count on the cap - bizarre I know!
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"This increase in the number of 'Marquee Players' effectively means the 'Salary Cap' is being made redundant does it not? As only Wigan use it at the moment (for Sam Tomkins salary), the increase to two allows us to effectively keep George Williams. I've no doubt that if IL wants three MPs in a year or so, he will get his way.'"
Leigh have Stewart
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"So going off this Cas could get Solomoana back from RU on a 2 year deal but only count 50% of his wage for the 2nd year.'"
No returning players to the sport from RU must not have played RL for at least 5 years. If returning get 50% reductions on cap in year 1 and 25% in year 2.
The 0% and 50% allowances only apply to new players who haven't played professionally before.
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"The club must be paying him at least £175k to count as marquee but only £150k would count against the cap. So lets say Wire get Cronk for £300k a season next year, only £150k would count on Wire's cap. If Wire paid him £174k a year he wouldn't be regarded as a marquee player and the full £174k would count on the cap - bizarre I know!'"
Once again thanks Andy.
That is bizarre, pay someone 1.5 million and only 150k counts. Pay them 174k and it all counts. There must be a reason why they've done this but I can't think of it.
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| Quote ="Fatbelly"Once again thanks Andy.
That is bizarre, pay someone 1.5 million and only 150k counts. Pay them 174k and it all counts. There must be a reason why they've done this but I can't think of it.'"
I presume it's so clubs aren't just automatically having their highest earner counted as a marquee player to free up space, regardless of whether he is the sort of high value, big name player this rule is targeted at.
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The U21 exemptions are a biggy for us, the way our injuries have been going! Not surprised the way they have done it, with a trivial increase to the finite cap but better exemptions to it.
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The U21 exemptions are a biggy for us, the way our injuries have been going! Not surprised the way they have done it, with a trivial increase to the finite cap but better exemptions to it.
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Excellent news! We're still a long way behind the NRL and Union but we have a fighting chance now of keeping some of our best players.
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Excellent news! We're still a long way behind the NRL and Union but we have a fighting chance now of keeping some of our best players.
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| Quote ="Geoff"The U21 exemptions are a biggy for us, the way our injuries have been going! Not surprised the way they have done it, with a trivial increase to the finite cap but better exemptions to it.'"
It will obviously benefit us more than anyone else initially but hopefully this motivates other clubs to invest more in youth development.
And yeah it's spot on how they've done it, I wouldn't have complained if we'd have just got the exemptions and the cap stayed the same.
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| Definitely the way to go.
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| I think the second marquee player allows Wigan to have Williams for another year or two before his inevitable move to the NRL but its about time the cap was raised the living in the past was killing the game,sometimes you have to trust clubs not to go daft and live beyond their means.
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