Think Lineham deserves a 3-4 game ban. Striking the head when a player is especially not looking needs to be cut out regardless. Flower felt the wrath and deservedly, Singleton has been dealt with accordingly. Lineham should be punished and Stewart should get a 1-2 game ban. He made contact with the head but it was a swinging arm not an elbow to the back of the head.

I hope that they didnt give Cooper a big contract, he looked small for a prop, a trier put not a top level prop for me.

To be honest, I hope they have.

I still remember an RL phone-in on the radio when Wigan were facing relegation, and it was ram-jammed with cock-a-hoop Wire fans.

So frankly, I couldn't care less about their plight and have no concerns whatsoever about their poor recruitment and bad coaching.

The only pity is that, with the current SL set-up, the likes of Wire, Saints and Leeds will never be relegated via a system like the Qualifiers, no matter how richly their form during the season means they deserve it.

Indeed. I can't imagine many Wigan fans will feel sorry for them. I actually didn't mind Wire until 2007 when a load of their numpty fans turned up to our CC Semi supporting Catalan.

Their lack of local talent coming through is hard to believe when they actually have a decent academy team. Which of their academy players have made it in the last 10 years? The only one I can think of is Currie! Mike Cooper and Brad Dwyer maybe at a push but it shows how much they rely on recruitment to build a team. When the market dries up (resorting to Brown), you get a bit of bad luck (Dodds) or a few poor investments (Sandow, Wheeler, Asotasi etc.) you end up with an average team that has generally over-performed. Last year they were carried by Hill, Clark and Westerman with a sprinkling of Sandow that were high on confidence. Put them on the ropes and they'll always disappoint.

Currie was a wigan academy player

He only played U16s didn't he? Don't think we can take too much credit for him.

I thought the interview with Hill post match was telling, he looked and sound dumbfounded, as though when he'd been watching from the sidelines it hadn't seemed too bad, nothing that couldn't be turned around.
Only when he's been on the pitch with his team mates has he realised what a state they're in.

They do have a few coming through, though none that one would call top-class. I like Declan Patton, but Smith doesn't seem to rate him. Played well against us in that Academy final about 3 years ago, that we almost lost, and looked good in the reserve game last week.

I've always likes Rhys Evans and honestly believe that if he'd come through the Wigan system would have been a class centre by now. Livett looks good and Toby King could be an excellent player if he can stay clear of any further injuries.

i was impressed with Lineham last night, first time I have ever seen a player make more yards at the play ball than in actual open play. Moved about 10 yards from the mark the ref sent him back to play it then he penalised Leigh twice in second half for moving off the mark.

And probably not going to see him again for a few weeks once the disciplinary have their say.

Livett looks poor from what I've seen in SL. Looks like he's been throw in at the deep end massively. He seems to either be copping a huge hit or throwing out Barrett-esque speculators to his winger.

Agreed. Thought the ref waas harsh on Leigh in that respect, by penalising them a couple of times, but ignoring the same offense when Wire did it.

As for the elbow - Nothing more to be said. 2-3 games for me for lashing out.

But what the hell was he playing at with the try?
Not only grounds the ball, but slides over with his arm on the ground, then gets up and tries to con the referee that he actually grounded it about 10m further in-field.

I'm sorry, but that is blatant cheating and although it won't be pulled up, it surely falls under the "ungentlemanly conduct" or whatever the rule is called these days and whilst not ban-worthy, for me it warrants a warning.

Frankly, I lost a lot of respect for Lineham last night.

Just off the top of my head in fairly recent years: Currie, Dwyer, Harrison, T. King, G. King, Penny, R. Evans, B. Evans, Livett, Smith, Johnson, Patton, Cooper, O'Brien, Philbin, Wilde, C. Riley, G. Riley.

The only difference personally between our production line and yours is that Wayne has the balls to drop any player, regardless of what his name is if they're putting naff performances in. Smith won't. Smith will continuously still by a big name player rather than give a young lad a chance. That right there is the real difference and why Wigan are on a complete and utter new level to everyone else.

I recognise a lot of those younger players names from the Academy season a few years ago, when you dominated all season and were a bit unlucky not to beat us in the GF. I really did expect them to step up.

To clarify when I asked which have "made it", I mean holding down a regular SL spot, dream team, awards, or even international appearances.

I don't even recognise half of those names.

Surprised nobody has mentioned O'Brien, a mainstay in the Salford side now and the key player. What Warrington would give to have him back right now.

Yes, he was pretty good against us, as I recall.

Currie - Regular, Ireland & England international.
Dwyer - Regular
Harrison - Regular, Challenge cup winner, Ireland International.
T. King - Broke into the 1st team last season.
G. King - First team regular.
Penny - Regular, Dream team player.
R. Evans - Regular, Wales International.
B. Evans - Ex Regular, Wales International.
Livett - broke into the first team this season.
Smith - Broke through last season.
Johnson - Just broke through.
Patton - Broke through last season.
Cooper - Regular, NRL regular, Challenge cup winner.
O'Brien - Ex - Regular, current Salford regular, secured superleage status for Salford.
Philbin - Regular bench player
Wilde - Regular bench player
C. Riley - Ex-regular, 3 times Challenge cup winner, SL top try scorer, tenth player to score 5 tries in a SL game
G. Riley - Ex-bench player.

It' might not be the most exciting list of players but its still better than something a lot of teams in SL couldn't do.

While our academy may not be as prestigious as Wigan's an important point to note is that until 2004 we didn't really have much of an academy. moving to the HJ is when our professional style academy kicked off. That's why we're only just starting to see more and more Warrington academy lads breaking through. It's been a long term project and takes time. It'll still be a good few years before its up to full speed.

It's like creating whiskey. you can just make a 12yo you have to wait 12 years obviously. You can make a blend in the mean time though.