You probably never even heard of Leeds before 2002 then. Your right you will have a lot of important games coming up, the battle to get in the top eight for starters.

I understand Wigan have injuries, but so far I have been impressed with how you've dealt with them, Tierney seems to have gradually improved and is at the very least solid. Mickey Mac is the big loss for you, has Powell been doing 80 at hooker?

In terms of Leeds, we've got Garbutt definitely back, plus Falloon and JJB more than likely. People point to Mcguire as the the big loss (he is) but Lilley and Sutty have had a few games together now and I have a feeling this is gonna be close anyway.

I actually think the combined loss of Moon and Handley is the biggest issue. Simply because of the amount of reshuffling we might end up with Watkins on the wing and Keinhorst and
Ferres or Walters in the centres.

Having said all that I'm still expecting a tight game with you lot edging it by 6-8 points.

No what you were doing is completely playing down your sides chances of beating us, making out it was Dewsbury we were playing so that if you win you can come back on here trolling about how under strength you were. I have heard of glass half empty but you are on the dregs!

Enjoy it while it lasts. Sport goes round in 10 year cycles generally. 10 years of success followed by 10 years of under achieving.

Thanks Rogues just been reading your attack on Gary Hetherington . Be careful he has a good legal team

. Late 1960s actually so gone through the days when you were 2nd division as well as when you bought all the trophies .

Not an attack at all, just an observation.
Maurice (from Leigh) has told you exactly how it is, but there is quite a bit more that MAY be revealed in time.

Well done Rogues that statement should just about save you a law suit

I bet he's quaking in his boots.

It was 12 years actually, surely you remember the last one of those

He didn't tell it exactly how it is, he just gave his personal view on the situation.

Ahhh!! That old chestnut...!!

Would that be the same days where Leeds spent just as much money chasing Wigan but won nowt?
It's a good job we weren't allowed to enter the Yorkshire Cup or else we'd have won that!

Didn't Leeds offer us an outrageous 1m for Ellery Hanley?

Were Leeds the first full time side?

Genuine questions

Looks like, yet again, we are being accused of breaking the "spirit of professionalism"... We broke no rules, and anybody could have done the same. Leeds tried, and failed.. End of, history, move on.

I love it when Leeds fans mention us buying trophies in the 80's/90's. We spent money and dominated for a decade, Leeds spent more and won nowt!

It's a bit like Man U fans having a go at City these past few years for buying success whilst they ignore the fact they're spending £250m every two years trying to do just the same.

Any proof of us spending more?
We clearly wasted it didnt we, considering we had one or two stars and your team was made up of internationals


If you were spending less than us then what explains your decline in the 2000s to the point you looked like being relegated at one point until you signed a load of aussies?

they only became internationals because they played for us...I never saw Leeds sign an international...

What?
You obviously paid them more, why would all those internationals stay at Wigan if they could be apparently paid more elsewhere?

Don't know and Yes, Leeds were the first team to go completely professional.

I think Moon being missing for them is a huge loss. In my opinion he's the best centre in SL, certainly attacking. Him and Hall can be lethal usually with McGuire setting up everything.

Any team is bound to struggle with such key players missing. Luckily our backline is doing OK for injuries (other than Sam obviously)

Doubt you were old enough to be watching Leeds back then so you probably don't remember anyway. Trust me Leeds spent fortunes but they couldn't knock Wigan off their perch because we produced far better players to play alongside our signings.

As for us signing a load of Aussies in the 2000's, we must have taught you guys a thing or two because as the old guard retires it seems as though they're replaced with lads from down under. What you running with this year? 6 or 7? Far too many for a club the size of Leeds. Some could call it trying to buy success

Offered a million for Hanley



you actually bought all the stars and paid them more ,

we bought all the ones on the way out and paid them too much , still at least we still have our ground .

Another d1ck measuring contest

Who did we sign that were really proven?.... Hanley, Offiah and Connolly? Every top club signs good players to stay at the top. You were full time and had money you could have gone for them too. Truth is, they all wanted to play for the greatest club in the history of English Rugby League. The Ferrari, the top of the tree, The Manchester United of RL, no matter how bad an era they have everyone still wants to go there.

You had Dean Bell and got rid of him before we made him a superstar. Tuigamala, Botica were unknowns. Henry Paul came from Auckland in exchange for Andy Platt and the rest came from our youth team. Envy would call it buying success.

Oh and we have our own ground too, actually we have 2. We have a 25,000 seated capacity stadium with a very long lease on it and a stadium we train in. "but you can't develop your stadium like we can and have to alternate with football matches" is your next line. True but we don't need to waste money on stadium costs like you are about to do and the football situation is a minor inconvenience for now.

Another thread devolves into arguing.

There were some good points brought up though. I agree with you that we will miss Moon massively, I agree that at the minute are squad has a few too many Aussies. I'm hoping like you, the Aussies are just a stop gap, trying to keep us competitive while we wait for some of our younger guys to come through/good.

I'm looking forward to a good game, between two clubs who instead of looking to get one up on each other should be looked on as an example of what and where other clubs want to be.

Argh, remember those days well.Yes you are right, Leeds brought in Dougie Laughton from Widnes and gave him a war chest to take us to the top. As well as the 250k paid for Hanley from yourselves he he raided his old club for the likes Tait, Eyres, Howard, Faimalo and old has been Mike O'Neill.Kevin Iro came in as well as Craig Innes from the All blacks (and we had already wasted a kings ransom on John Gallagher 'the worlds best rugby player' before Laughton came in!) many others too, as well as top dollar to the likes of Schoey still in his pomp we were shelling out some right cash around that time it can't be disputed.

The problem was, and not just for ourselves but the other clubs at that time, by 1990/91 you had built such a quality and settled side there was little to no chance of anyone stopping you. Infact, the 250k we gave you for Hanley gave you the cash to put the final piece in the jigsaw and signing Offiah.