because the coach and player didn't come out crying and that was a lot more thuggish than a miss timed tackle.

Quote ="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" He has nowhere near the form Mr brown has, and Sam was targeted in most games, with good reason..

Quote ="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" He has nowhere near the form Mr brown has, and Sam was targeted in most games, with good reason..

Quote ="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.

Quote ="FearTheVee"Never you say? www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/18538370'" Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.

Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.'" 2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith

Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Did you notice the date? SW learned many lessons in his first season as head coach. Try looking for something from last season because I believe that he learned such moaning was counter productive and poor management. Brown has been a head coach for a helluva lot longer and yet he keeps making the same mistakes.'" 2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith

Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith'" You have been busy. At least you have just proved the point that Wigan's halves get injured and it's not just Wigan's opponents that suffer from cheap shots. But fair play to you SW apparently does moan. I sit corrected.

Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"2013: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22455852 And www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... atty-smith'" You have been busy. At least you have just proved the point that Wigan's halves get injured and it's not just Wigan's opponents that suffer from cheap shots. But fair play to you SW apparently does moan. I sit corrected.

Haha. To be fair, if he believes that his halfbacks have been unfairly targeted then he has every right to moan. There's too much of it that goes on for me.

I agree he does. But that should be done through the proper channels and not via the press.

All coaches of all sports whinge and moan about many things. The main reason for it is an attempt to influence referees in future games. If a ref has a seed planted for example that Tomkins was being unfairly targeted, subconsciously the ref is more likely to be looking for it and therefore give the 50-50 decisions in his teams favour.

Secondly it influences fans as can be clearly seen from the Walsh 'incident' in the friendly. Didn't take a lot to whip up those incapable of formulating their own opinion into a frenzy over something which didn't even happen.

What didn't happen?

Bugger all this talk about Walsh now, he is fine there is no issue.

After his performance I think it is far more appropriate to talk about Matty Smith, top class performance, he seemed to be at the heart of everything that we did.

I think this could be the season he looks to make the 7 jersey his for England.

It should have been his for the WC but thats an arguement for another day

Can't argue with that, developing into a fine player - and one with a mindset suited to international RL too I reckon.

Disciplinary verdict on the Ben Flower tackle, "No charge. Tackle is marginally late. Player has arms down and makes a legitimate attempt to tackle".
Maybe Nathan Brown should wait before spouting his allegations - or maybe he's trying to send a message for referees in the future.

The horribly late shoulder charge or vicious attack to the head dependent upon which comment you choose to read.


Disciplinary verdict on the Ben Flower tackle, "No charge. Tackle is marginally late. Player has arms down and makes a legitimate attempt to tackle".

So it was a late tackle then?

No, it was Marginal.

I wish people would have the intelligence and common sense to formulate a reasoned opinion. Coaches play mind games all the time, it amazes me how many people fall for it. It's not a criticism aimed at Brown (although he's worse than most) or St Helens' fans just a general observation.

Lighten up mate!

You'll see plenty of late tackles week in and week out. Was it meant to injure Walsh ? I don't think so. Brown needs to remember that this is RL not a knitting circle. When Saints commit such an action I hope he is as quick to come out and condemn his player!

Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"You'll see plenty of late tackles week in and week out. Was it meant to injure Walsh ? I don't think so. Brown needs to remember that this is RL not a knitting circle. When Saints commit such an action =#FF0000I hope he is as quick to come out and condemn his player!'" I doubt it. When Meli committed one of the worst tackles you could imagine on Craig Hall he said “It was just a reflex action and that can happen when you’re out wide as an outside back defender when there’s big spaces. www.youtube.com/watch?v=INzmrDRAtSU

Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"You'll see plenty of late tackles week in and week out. Was it meant to injure Walsh ? I don't think so. Brown needs to remember that this is RL not a knitting circle. When Saints commit such an action =#FF0000I hope he is as quick to come out and condemn his player!'" I doubt it. When Meli committed one of the worst tackles you could imagine on Craig Hall he said “It was just a reflex action and that can happen when you’re out wide as an outside back defender when there’s big spaces. www.youtube.com/watch?v=INzmrDRAtSU

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I doubt it. When Meli committed one of the worst tackles you could imagine on Craig Hall he said “It was just a reflex action and that can happen when you’re out wide as an outside back defender when there’s big spaces. www.youtube.com/watch?v=INzmrDRAtSU'" Haha. Anyone who understands the sport will know that the Meli incident was a pure instinctive reaction. He just through an arm out. It wasn't malicious or intentional and I'm certain that you know that already!

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I doubt it. When Meli committed one of the worst tackles you could imagine on Craig Hall he said “It was just a reflex action and that can happen when you’re out wide as an outside back defender when there’s big spaces. www.youtube.com/watch?v=INzmrDRAtSU'" Haha. Anyone who understands the sport will know that the Meli incident was a pure instinctive reaction. He just through an arm out. It wasn't malicious or intentional and I'm certain that you know that already!

Serious question, which was more dangerous? Meli nearly decapitating Hall or Flower running into Walsh late?

Had Hall stepped Meli maybe I would agree but he didn't. It was an old fashioned "clothes line" tackle. Meli knew what he was doing and got what he deserved.

This was the RFL view.
Rule: 15.1(b) Detail: High Tackle – Intentional – stiff arm tackle – no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent Grade E

I can't take you seriously when you're suggesting decapitation.

I disagree. I admit it looked awful, really bad. But haven't played and watched the sport for many years, I know that it was an instinctive reaction. Meli isn't a dirty player, I don't believe there was intent. And are you sure you're watching the same video? Hall quite clearly swerves and changes direction! Take your blinkers off for once!

The RFL didn't think so did they?

What part of intentional stiff arm do you not understand?