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| Quote ="post"I'd rather have O2, Sky, Vodafone, Ford and get a bit less than have Big Bobs Beans or Derek's Chippy and them pay more if I'm honest.'"
Why? Because they need more national exposure? Or because they are going to put sponsors of Wigan RL on their products? Or because they have a nice looking logo?
Some people talk crap. A local company gaining national exposure and probs paying more money sounds like a better deal to me.
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| It's ironic that Ian leneghan forms a posse to attempt to over throw the RL because he doesn't feel the game is being marketed properly and lacks decent sponsorship! If he can't get a "major" sponsor in at Wigan he ain't gonna do much better at red hall. I stick by my earlier point in that it's an opportunity lost . Can't wait for the 2015 Ronnie prescotts fruit & veg stall super league season
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| How much have they paid us?
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| It's true to say that the Stobart deal has harmed the sport when it comes to credibility and revenue in. Super League 2013 suffered and we received no main sponsorship company, neither did the 2013 World Cup. The RFL are complete joke and must be seen as a laughing stock from outsiders looking in.
For Wigan to have tied this deal up, of course its better than NO Sponsorship, but as yet we don't know the £££ involved. Doing it cheap and local last season probably cost us a fair whack in lost revenue when Applicado went belly up mid season. So we are taking a risk again!
I just feel that Wigan (as Double Winners and the most successful and well known club in world rugby) have missed a big opportunity to grab blue chip corporation sponsorship and thats a shame for the sports credibility.
Rumours are that Wire have tied up with Emirates? If so, then we can't we attract similar? As Uncle Maurice once famously stated "They're a cracking little club, but they're not Wigan".
Lets remember that!
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| Quote ="hatty"It's ironic that Ian leneghan forms a posse to attempt to over throw the RL because he doesn't feel the game is being marketed properly and lacks decent sponsorship! If he can't get a "major" sponsor in at Wigan he ain't gonna do much better at red hall. I stick by my earlier point in that it's an opportunity lost . Can't wait for the 2015 Ronnie prescotts fruit & veg stall super league season'"
This is exactly the kind of post that seriously makes me wonder if we are followed by a true army of fans, or if there aren't quite a few trolls in there masquerading as Wigan fans.
No doubt we'll get the standard kneejerk response to this: "So true fans can't complain?"
Sure. But this isn't about the complaint.
People are perfectly entitled to question the club's financial dealings, though I'd argue it'd be a fool's errand as no one bar the club's inner sanctum know what is actually happening, and frankly only a pillock would argue that Wigan aren't being run pretty well in money terms. But the tone of this post is an absolute joke: scornful, mocking, sneering, arrogant tosh.
A few days ago, I joined a thread on here in which folk were laughing and wondering at which stage next season we'd see the usual suspects feel safe enough to start with their prophecies of doom. I doubt any of us expected it to happen before the team had even kicked a ball in anger, but hey-ho, here we go again. They're back.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"This is exactly the kind of post that seriously makes me wonder if we are followed by a true army of fans, or if there aren't quite a few trolls in there masquerading as Wigan fans.
No doubt we'll get the standard kneejerk response to this: "So true fans can't complain?"
Sure. But this isn't about the complaint.
People are perfectly entitled to question the club's financial dealings, though I'd argue it'd be a fool's errand as no one bar the club's inner sanctum know what is actually happening, and frankly only a pillock would argue that Wigan aren't being run pretty well in money terms. But the tone of this post is an absolute joke: scornful, mocking, sneering, arrogant tosh.
A few days ago, I joined a thread on here in which folk were laughing and wondering at which stage next season we'd see the usual suspects feel safe enough to start with their prophecies of doom. I doubt any of us expected it to happen before the team had even kicked a ball in anger, but hey-ho, here we go again. They're back.'"
Whoa... get off your high horse. No one said that Wigan aren't being run correctly the big issue is that we had a perfect opportunity to market the "wigan warriors" name with a major blue chip company and the club (in my opinion) has failed to do this.
My post isn't scornful, arrogant or whatever you perceive it to be, its a tongue in cheek comment about the club not striding for the best when it comes to arranging a major sponsor and as for your comments about being a true fan maybe you wasn't there in the 2nd division glory days however....I was.
Your posts sometime themselves border on the arrogance and quite frankly on occasions you need to wind your neck in.
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| Quote ="hatty"Whoa... get off your high horse. No one said that Wigan aren't being run correctly the big issue is that we had a perfect opportunity to market the "wigan warriors" name with a major blue chip company and the club (in my opinion) has failed to do this.
My post isn't scornful, arrogant or whatever you perceive it to be, its a tongue in cheek comment about the club not striding for the best when it comes to arranging a major sponsor and as for your comments about being a true fan maybe you wasn't there in the 2nd division glory days however....I was.
Your posts sometime themselves border on the arrogance and quite frankly on occasions you need to wind your neck in.'"
It's a shame that you have to defend yourself in this way, though I must say you do it well. Unfortunately there now exists on here a cohort whose sole purpose is to put the rest of us to rights, which is why I seldom post these days.
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| At least they aren't a payday loans company like some SL clubs are getting involved with.
Quote ="jinkin jimmy"It's a shame that you have to defend yourself in this way, though I must say you do it well. Unfortunately there now exists on here a cohort whose sole purpose is to put the rest of us to rights, which is why I seldom post these days.'"
And I can't agree enough with this.
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| We've made around £1,000,000 from selling players, we are being run well financially so surely we could have taken a hit when it comes to a main sponsor.
Let's say for argument sake 'Houses for Homes' offered £100,000 for main sponsorship, would you take a hit and accept £50,000 for Vodafone?
In my opinion having a blue chip sponsor makes the sport look a lot more professional and hats off to the Dire for getting Emirates on board.
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hahaha, where has the idea come from that blue chip companies will pay less than national companies? it doesn't work like that, bigger companies don't pay less for the privilege of sponsoring a sport team if anything its the complete opposite, bigger budgets and they pay more.
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6770811760
(not sure in the link will work) but could only wish we was in the same position.
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hahaha, where has the idea come from that blue chip companies will pay less than national companies? it doesn't work like that, bigger companies don't pay less for the privilege of sponsoring a sport team if anything its the complete opposite, bigger budgets and they pay more.
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6770811760
(not sure in the link will work) but could only wish we was in the same position.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"It's a shame that you have to defend yourself in this way, though I must say you do it well. Unfortunately there now exists on here a cohort whose sole purpose is to put the rest of us to rights, which is why I seldom post these days.'"
If cohorts exist, then you and your cohort was very aggressive and offensive to anybody who spoke against you last season. You were happy to slap down anybody who disagreed with you, and did not like it when people spoke against you. Typical bullies who cry foul when they get challenged.
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| You literally can't criticise the club for anything on here without the "Wigan fans moan about anything" brigade having a go. Wigan have just won the double and reading between the lines we have struggled to obtain a main shirt sponsor (the lateness of the shirts being released plus the one year deal). Wev also got a local estate agents as the sponsor.
If it is wigans policy to promote local companies then fair enough, but I think if there was a blue chip company offering a 3 year deal the club would snap their hands off for it. Personally I think the club is run very well on most areas, but obtaining a shirt sponsor is definitely an area that requires improvement.
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| Quote ="WARRIORCRAIG"You literally can't criticise the club for anything on here without the "Wigan fans moan about anything" brigade having a go. Wigan have just won the double and reading between the lines we have struggled to obtain a main shirt sponsor (the lateness of the shirts being released plus the one year deal). Wev also got a local estate agents as the sponsor.
If it is wigans policy to promote local companies then fair enough, but I think if there was a blue chip company offering a 3 year deal the club would snap their hands off for it. Personally I think the club is run very well on most areas, but obtaining a shirt sponsor is definitely an area that requires improvement.'"
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| i agree some fans moan about anything and everything becomes the managements fault, but this one is a complete fail and no amount of sugar coating can stop that. Be interesting to see what the goal was for sponsorship and what we have actually achieved.
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| Quote ="dubairl"i agree some fans moan about anything and everything becomes the managements fault, but this one is a complete fail and no amount of sugar coating can stop that. Be interesting to see what the goal was for sponsorship and what we have actually achieved.'"
How the can you possibly know that it's a complete fail when (correct me if I'm wrong) you have no idea at all about how much money was exchanged or what other options were on the table? I don't usually like to take the 'they must know best' line but IL is a millionaire businessmen and managed to get Warner brothers to sponsor us for a game last season at fairly short notice, making god knows how much money off the 'Superman Shirts' into the bargain.
At risk of sounding like a happy clapper, I think in the time he's been here he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt about decisions we don't know the ins and outs of. Wasn't he being criticised as nothing but a moneygrabber who was only out to "trouser money" 3 months ago?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"How the can you possibly know that it's a complete fail when (correct me if I'm wrong) you have no idea at all about how much money was exchanged or what other options were on the table? I don't usually like to take the 'they must know best' line but IL is a millionaire businessmen and managed to get Warner brothers to sponsor us for a game last season at fairly short notice, making god knows how much money off the 'Superman Shirts' into the bargain.
At risk of sounding like a happy clapper, I think in the time he's been here he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt about decisions we don't know the ins and outs of. Wasn't he being criticised as nothing but a moneygrabber who was only out to "trouser money" 3 months ago?'"
There you go, if Warner Brothers would sponsor us why settle for a local housing association?
How many bought the shirt because it looked great with the Superman logo on? Would they have bought the shirt if it had Brenda's Barms on the front?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"How the can you possibly know that it's a complete fail when (correct me if I'm wrong) you have no idea at all about how much money was exchanged or what other options were on the table? I don't usually like to take the 'they must know best' line but IL is a millionaire businessmen and managed to get Warner brothers to sponsor us for a game last season at fairly short notice, making god knows how much money off the 'Superman Shirts' into the bargain.
At risk of sounding like a happy clapper, I think in the time he's been here he has more than earned the benefit of the doubt about decisions we don't know the ins and outs of. Wasn't he being criticised as nothing but a moneygrabber who was only out to "trouser money" 3 months ago?'"
read any of my post and you will see i back IL with pretty much everything but on this occasion its not good enough, by the way i am not even blaming IL its not his job to get a sponsor its the marketing and commercial departments job. All for a local based company sponsoring the club but only if their big enough such as JJB back in the day. seriously how much money could they offer for the sponsorship? compared to companies which have 50million+ every year for marketing?
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| Quote ="post"There you go, if Warner Brothers would sponsor us why settle for a local housing association?
How many bought the shirt because it looked great with the Superman logo on? Would they have bought the shirt if it had Brenda's Barms on the front?'"
Evidently Warner Brothers wouldn't sponsor us for a full season, or not at a decent amount of money at any rate. You can't seriously believe we had the option of someone of that calibre with a good amount of money on offer and IL turned it down. He's a shrewd businessman with a massive vested interest in making money for the club. He will surely have made this decision because it was the best option on offer. It's not like blue chip companies have generally been falling over themselves to sponsor RL clubs, have we considered that it's a very difficult thing to do, and that Emirates was a massive one-off?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Evidently Warner Brothers wouldn't sponsor us for a full season, or not at a decent amount of money at any rate. You can't seriously believe we had the option of someone of that calibre with a good amount of money on offer and IL turned it down. He's a shrewd businessman with a massive vested interest in making money for the club. He will surely have made this decision because it was the best option on offer. It's not like blue chip companies have generally been falling over themselves to sponsor RL clubs, have we considered that it's a very difficult thing to do, and that Emirates was a massive one-off?'"
No I don't think IL turned down an option of that size.
So your telling me 'Houses for Homes' is the best we can do?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Evidently Warner Brothers wouldn't sponsor us for a full season, or not at a decent amount of money at any rate. You can't seriously believe we had the option of someone of that calibre with a good amount of money on offer and IL turned it down. He's a shrewd businessman with a massive vested interest in making money for the club. He will surely have made this decision because it was the best option on offer. It's not like blue chip companies have generally been falling over themselves to sponsor RL clubs, have we considered that it's a very difficult thing to do, and that Emirates was a massive one-off?'"
The criticism isn't that larger offers from blue chip companies have been turned down in favour of this deal, it's that the Wigan RL brand should be able to attract the best deal possible from more notable sponsors, especially the year after we have just done the double. Nobody knows how much this deal is worth or what other offers were on the table, but on the face of it not enough has been done behind the scenes to attract sponsorship. It's also not the first time it's happened (the 2010 replicas being released without a sponsor because the deal with Mecca bingo hadn't been sorted, for example).
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Evidently Warner Brothers wouldn't sponsor us for a full season, or not at a decent amount of money at any rate. You can't seriously believe we had the option of someone of that calibre with a good amount of money on offer and IL turned it down. He's a shrewd businessman with a massive vested interest in making money for the club. He will surely have made this decision because it was the best option on offer. It's not like blue chip companies have generally been falling over themselves to sponsor RL clubs, have we considered that it's a very difficult thing to do, and that Emirates was a massive one-off?'"
If something wasn't hard to do it wouldn't be worth doing. I am sure emirates didn't just turn up at warrington and said we want to sponsor you, it would of been a lot of hard work to get the right appointments and pitched hard. It just smacks some fans obviously as being a little bit lazy and not capitalizing on a fantastic brand.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"It's a shame that you have to defend yourself in this way, though I must say you do it well. Unfortunately there now exists on here a cohort whose sole purpose is to put the rest of us to rights, which is why I seldom post these days.'"
The situation's quite simple ... anyone comes on here and takes the mickey out of Wigan RL is going to get short shrift from me, even if they are Wigan fans.
I find it hilarious that someone is moaning about being bullied when those who tried to stay positive during leaner times were given all kinds of stick by the professional whinge merchants. I was accused of being everything from a happy clapper to Ian Lenagan's wife because I wasn't calling for the heads of people who have subsequently gone on to win us trophies. One clown even went batsh7t because, after he accused the club chairman of theft, I had the nerve to single him out for criticism.
The behaviour of some Wigan fans on message boards is frankly embarrassing. Why they are surprised when people express annoyance with them is baffling.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"If cohorts exist, then you and your cohort was very aggressive and offensive to anybody who spoke against you last season. You were happy to slap down anybody who disagreed with you, and did not like it when people spoke against you. Typical bullies who cry foul when they get challenged.'"
Case in point, riding to Cruncher's defence like the self appointed forum police that you think you are. Adios for a while, methinks.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Case in point, riding to Cruncher's defence like the self appointed forum police that you think you are. Adios for a while, methinks.'"
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