To be fair, the coach of the year decision was made BEFORE the Grand Final.

Which is another daft decision just like choosing the Lance Todd winner with about 20 minutes to go Why? The match isn't over so how can anyone judge fairly who made the best contribution to the game. The season isn't over and the main match of the season still to play so how can you fairly judge who was the best coach. Why does the Lance Todd winner have to be announced during the match and why do we have to have the awards dinner before the season is over. Only in Rugby League do you get such craziness.
It's akin to giving a boxer a points decision with a round still to go.

But he opted to play for a rival country so I would never consider him for England. GB yes but not England. I would rather have Rangi Chase at least he wants to play for England...

I would have both Farrell and McIllorum in today.

The England job is not a full time position. I am sure he could comfortably take it on.

In terms people discussing Goulding and his selection, please also remember Jack Reed, if fit he is our number 1 centre, do that leaves Watkins, Cudjo and Goulding, and to be fair to the former 2 of that 3 both have gone well so far this tournament.

Wane has been nominated for International Coach of the Year by the RLIF, along with Maguire and Robinson.

With a good coach we would still be in the World Cup. Poor selection policy, Ablett not used, Burrow 15 woeful minutes poor tactics etc.

We have the makings if a good team. A fearsome starting pack and some good young players.

Wane needs to be given a chance to build towards the next World Cup and the first thing he needs to do is advise, Burrow, Westwood, and Sinfield to retire and make Burgess the captain.

Not sure anyone can blame a 2 point loss against the Kiwis on McN (wasn't it a Graham penalty that gifted it to them at the end of the day). I'm not that much of a fan, but knee-jerk baying for blood helps nobody.

Smith resigned as full-time coach because we was bored, Wane would be taking a major step backwards if he left us for the national side. There simply aren't the number of games (at the moment) to justify the job. Additionally, I would guess that McN knows he needs to maintain his position, because he's actually not rated as a coach that any of the SL clubs would jump to recruit (lower leagues maybe, but I don't think he's that much of a philanthropist).

Also - HANDS OFF ! Personally I'd like to see the Ape swinging around the DW (and Wembley & Old Trafford) for a couple of years more at least.

Knee jerk? He should never have been given the job. You think playing the World Champions with only 16 players was good coaching?

Having 3 players walk out or leave camp? Being poor against most teams in the comp?

Only selecting Widdop for today etc etc etc.

The man has consistently failed as our coach.

The England job is not a full time role, it does not need to be anyway. Wane could comfortably do both.

It was Burgess by the way who gave away the penalty off the back of shocking kick selection by Sinfield.

Knee-jerk on the back of today's effort, not the campaign as a whole, which has been dire, inconsistent and very poorly managed (& it's not just McN to blame for that).
As I said, I'm no fan of the man as a coach or tactician (and my expletive replete rant in the middle of the office when he was appointed is still mentioned in dispatches - luckily there weren't that many in that day) . But if there's going to be a cogent argument for replacing him it shouldn't start 5 minutes after such a game as this afternoon. Take a deep breath, step back and calmly list the many reasons why he should be given the push. But don't also then demand that any successful SL coach should take his place. I'm often minded that a national coach should be someone with more than a couple of years' experience with the nous & guile to be able to cope with anything because they've seen it all before.
(and I'll sit corrected on the blame for the penalty)

The discussion for him being replaced was done and finished long before this World Cup.

His contract is now up I believe, he knows he will be gone I suspect.

It's just a matter about making the appointment.

If Macbanana was Wigan coach what would we think?

He is not Super league standard so why is he our national coach.

Sinfield needs to retire and hopefully IFL can change the RFL enough to stop the national coach picking Leeds players.

I don't get why Sir KeV was our scrum half when that is not his normal position

It would depend how he did?

About 3 weeks before the Grand Final a lot of people on here were saying Wane was rubbish, one dimensional and had no Plan B, just like everyone was slagging off McBanana before today and had it not been for a George Burgess penalty giving the Kiwis a last chance, we would be in the World Cup final and he would have been hailed as a hero.

I think McNamara is fine to stay as England coach tbh. But if he does leave and the vacancy is open I still say its Wane at the top of the list for me. I don't have any divided loyalties over Wane with Wigan so I can say honestly I would be happy with his appointment to the England job as I've been very impressed. We produce few enough good coaches in England so we should get behind Wane.

Several were saying this, but they had been saying it all season, and just shouted down all who disagreed. As well you know, you e stirring bugger...

Haha ooops, the no.9 was an accident but Ryan Hall wasn't that was deliberate, He is losing pace fast and in 5 years will be burned out.

A loud minority have been questioning everything Wane did since his appointment as part of an ongoing 'we are dissatisfied with Wigan' campaign, which mainly existed on the other website. Since the double was done, those responsible - on both this site and that one - have been noticeable for either their absence or their amazing change of tone. But as soon as something 'goes wrong' next season - we either lose a key match, or a players gets disciplined for unacceptable behaviour - it will all start again.

Don't forget, an awful lot of us used to be called 'happy clappers'.

I'm going to bookmark your post, because we all know they will come out of the woodwork at the first signs of anything going wrong. I wonder who the 2014 scapegoat will be?

If we Huddersfield beat us in game 1 and Bowen doesn't score it'll be him. Otherwise I can see Pettybourne copping plenty stick

I had a wobbler against Wane during that purple patch coming to the back end of the season but mainly because i thought we had run out of steam like season before, but he put every doubter in their place.

Gelling without a doubt

Same here. Totally understandable.

But there were others for whom he could do no right.

If McNamara goes which hopefully he will then the England coaching job may well go part time. If so then Wane, McDermott and Anderson will probably be considered.
If it remains full time Shaun Wane will not leave Wigan for that job, no chance.

Would Shaun Edwards not be a great choice?
He ticks all the boxes for me, especially as he has no club connections, for now

Shaun Edwards would be a superb choice.

Re Sean Wane for the job, one word from me - NO

Not that I don't think he is capable but it's a poisoned chalice for one thing and without being rude what does the England coach do all year? Even if it were part time our regular season lasts so long I don't think it would be fair to expect any super league coach to take that job on as well. For one thing mid October to maybe mid November is the only time they get off all year so like all the rest of us they need a break every so often.

Edwards for coasch and a backroom staff of Martin Offia, Kevin Iro, Ellery Hanley, Kelvin Skerrit and Steve Hampson

Surely a winning combo if i ever saw one