Any news on oloughlin? I know they said hes out for the season, but has there been an actual announcement?

Double? You're a braver man than me, that was our best team out there tonight and we had nothing

Are you snorting illegal substances lad? We got absolutely knocked from pillar to post and couldn't get out of our own half.

This is what we need, an actual announcement.

We had no ball, a team that has not played together in weeks, the signs are there though for me.

I did not say we would do the double, but I am more confident now than I have been all year that we can do it.

Kicking game was e, lack of cohesion, all things that are easily fixable in the 2 weeks we have.

We were a bad 2nd all the way through that game. Leeds looked sharp and there defensive line was quick which really stifled us. They looked more confident and in all honesty I think we're done. Our form early in the season was superb but that's a distant memory now. I'm usually very optimistic but I think the reality has set in. We'll struggle to beat Huddersfield next week and I very much doubt we'll make the GF, never mind win it!

So i am not the only one then. I do not know about winning the GF but i do not think we played anywhere near to the potential we got. I know we got totally outplayed but the tacking was worrying it was the same against Giants and Catalan and we went to the CC and put on a great display in defending.

Last 3 good performances were:

Widnes, London and Hull FC. All must win games. Take nothing away from Leeds tonight they were good but if we put a display like that against Wire or Huddersfield would have been embarrassing. Going to answer a lot of questions our game next week,

Agreed. Tonight has made me make my mind up about next years season tickets.

Powell looks like he will give you an offload game, which is something you lack, but he looks really flat-footed on defence which led to him being ran around or going high.

If he was 25 I'd be confident of him becoming an excellent RL player as he learns the differences between forwards defence in two different sports and gets game sense. At 32, not so much.

As for doing the double...I thought Wigan were pretty good tonight, but even then absolutely nowhere near good enough. If Hudds, Wire or Leeds are at their best then I can't see where Wigan improve enough to beat any of them.

Yet non if the teams you mention have hit anywhere near the form Wigan have this season at times, so it's clear where Wigan can go, if they time it right.

it is strange how many games have gone the same way, apart fron the hull game, every loss has been similar hold our own in the first 40 and capitulate in the second 40.
we have nothing to offer the play offs and will be out in two weeks, green has lost the plot, tomkins has no interest and i have to say if he plays for the warriors like he has for wigan he won't last long there either.

lloret asjust got noisy somthing about wigan going to see the pope in rome ????????

To play devils advocate, none are top 5 teams. Widnes and london are fodder and bent over, and we all know about hulls performance in the final.

Theres just as valid an argument that it's simply cicrumstancial that wigans last 3 must win games, have been against, to be blunt about it, sh*t teams.

Against who though? Against the sides who can't defend Tomkins and your main set play or the sides who can? Wigan have either never hit any sort of top form against top-4 sides or they have and it hasn't been good enough.

Without taking the p!ss, you'll have an infinitely tougher run to get to the Grand Final than you had to get to the Challenge Cup.

At last a prop forward who can actually pass a ball in the tackle well done Andy Powell but somebody will have to have a word with him as they don't do that at Wigan!

You will see a totally different Wigan side from next week onwards to what we've seen in recent league fixtures. Will it be enough to win the GF? I'm not sure but we'll come close.

We've got plenty more to give. Keep the faith and get behind the side.

Hull performace in the final was down to them and us putting them under pressure. Something we have not done in almost any of the rounds after getting 4th spot. But the same against Huddersfield the lack of the players going for the legs when tackling was worrying. But come the final hardly a tackle got missed.

So was wigans performance tonight down to leeds putting them under pressure? Or is it different now?

I certainly didn't see wigan surrendering posession under little pressure early in the tackle count, as hull did numerous times during the CC final.

Are you watching the same game as me? Watch his chase back for the BJB interception and then is reaction when he can't quite get there. To say he has no interest is farcical.

I think it may take us 2 weeks to really hit the straps but I agree 100% we have and will give a lot more from now on.

Dominated all across the pitch, it'll take a miracle to turn this form around.

Said at the game tonight that a defeat next week may not do us much harm. If we do we'll probably play Hudds then Saints then Hudds again (presuming we beat Saints) and that's no bad run.

I think our recent run of league defeats may just give a few teams a false sense of security against us and that's dangerous.

Thought we (Leeds) were comfortably the best team tonight, but this result will have little bearing on what happens in the next few Weeks. We have been poor attacking wise for Weeks but looked sharper tonight. The test for Wigan is if they can up their performance in the coming Weeks.

You guys know better then anyone how meaningless games like tonight are.

Season starts next week.